As I say on the
Islam in the West
most Muslim immigrants come to the West precisely because they support its freedoms
and want to escape failed states ruled by clerics and Islamic dictators.
We have a duty to let these freedom-loving Muslims in.
Western Muslims are the most liberal, tolerant, pro-democracy Muslims in the world.
All the dissidents are here
- the religious dissidents,
the political dissidents,
the feminist dissidents, and
the gay dissidents.
All the dissident works
- such as criticism of Islam and
- are published in the West.
This is all much to be celebrated.
However, there is a substantial minority
who threaten our western freedoms.
- essentially religious fascists who want to impose their religious beliefs
on the rest of us.
What to do about these aggressors is one of the questions of our time.
We have already seen this minority attack
and almost every
plotted against Ireland.
It is probably only a matter of time before they
successfully attack Ireland, too.
As in the UK,
there is a lack of moderate Muslims in Ireland
brave enough to stand up to the Islamists.
As in the UK,
most of the running is being made by infidels.
The Irish state treats the extremist Muslim Brotherhood as representing Muslims in Ireland.
[US diplomatic cable, 2006] says:
and Qadri have told
getting out a positive message on integration is difficult
because the conservative Muslims, or as Satardien refers to
the leaders at ICCI, the Wahhabis and Muslim Brotherhood,
control Islam in Ireland. He alleges that ICCI has the ear
of the GOI and blocks efforts to initiate open dialogue
within the religious community."
Dreaming of an Islamist Ireland, Ruth Dudley Edwards, May 2010:
"Currently, the Department of Foreign Affairs insists that official translations from Arabic into English be done at Clonskeagh mosque - an interesting venue for persecuted Christian asylum-seekers from, say, Egypt."
It is reasonable to oppose the immigration of people who threaten western freedom,
such as Islamists who support sharia.
But the case of
Ireland's first black mayor,
shows how wrong it is to simply oppose all immigration.
A Nigerian who converted from Islam to Christianity, he fled Nigeria
afraid of the death threats that are mandated in Islam
for leaving the religion.
Ireland should be proud that it gave this man sanctuary.
We should be proud that here you can follow any religion you like.
"The vast majority of Muslims oppose and condemn al-Qaeda and terrorism in all forms."
But he presents no evidence
We will skip over his claims that there is a big difference between Al Qaeda and
the Prophet Muhammad.
I don't see it myself, but I suppose we want Muslims to say this.
"Muslims .. feel that a very heavy price has been paid [for 9/11]. Far more innocent people have been killed and injured in the massive war on terrorism ... than were killed and injured on September 11th, 2001."
Um, yes, but they were killed by Muslims.
He makes it sound as if they were killed by the Americans or something.
Worst of all, he claims that US foreign policy, rather than Islamism,
is the root cause of Islamic terror.
He claims that Islamic terror is based on real "grievances"
rather than on religion:
"the roots of extremism and radicalisation have not been addressed. If the United States wants to stop extremism then it should change its foreign policy towards the Muslim world
The US's unconditional support for Israel is a major obstacle to a better relationship with the Muslim world.
As long as the US continues to ignore the real grievances of Muslims, and refuses to abandon its deceptive policies in the Middle East and other parts of the Muslim world, the restoration of real and lasting peace will remain only a dream."
So he is saying:
"We oppose Al Qaeda, but do what they say."
Umar Al-Qadri of the Blanchardstown mosque attacks Israel
at a protest in Dublin in Jan 2009.
He has a fanatical hatred of Israel.
He calls Hamas "my brothers and sisters".
He says "Hamas loves peace."
But of course reluctantly has to be fanatically violent.
He claims Israel rapes Muslim women in front of Muslim men:
"If you kill our children,
and take our women in front of us,
in front of our eyes,
how can we remain peaceful people?"
The crowd chants Islamic war cries during his fanatic speech.
An uncovered infidel woman stands by on stage with these religious maniacs
as they chant their war cries.
This is possibly
Umar Al-Qadri's mosque was inaugurated by Minister for Justice
in January 2008.
Did Brian Lenihan ask a single question about Islamic extremism at this mosque?
Did it ever cross his mind?
MCI, 23 July 2013, hosts a speaker from the
Tayyibun Institute in London.
The speaker was born half-Jewish and became Muslim.
naively quotes the organiser and makes it sound like this is a nice example of tolerance:
"The guest speaker is the son of a Jewish woman and a Pakistani man."
gives the true picture about any speaker from the Tayyibun Institute.
Tayyibun Institute as
"an inveterate promoter of extremists
The Tayyibun Institute promotes a nasty fringe version of Islam
which imperils the multiple targets of its hatred."
The Tayyibun Institute
is on the
Quilliam Foundation list of Islamists
"Wahhabist influenced groups and mosques".
See full size.
Cork Dawah Centre
was in the news in Sept 2013 when FF councillor
complained about night-time activity there
as being in breach of planning permission.
He was roundly called prejudiced by the left.
e.g. See a
ridiculous article by Victoria White, 19 Sept 2013, who compares the Cork Muslims to her own immigrant ancestors,
and worries about the
(of the Muslim Brotherhood).
She shows no interest in what the Cork Muslims or the Halawa family actually believe.
It is the job of the journalist to hide such information.
mocks councillor Ken O'Flynn,
18 Sept 2013.
Imagine smearing these poor honest Cork Muslims by linking them to the brutality of sharia law!
Of course they don't support sharia law!
Only a racist would think that, right?
Well, read on.
It is hilarious that the left, the media and O'Flynn all missed the real story,
which is what does this centre actually believe in?
Do they believe in sharia law?
The answer, of course, is yes.
Cork Dawah Centre
Peace TV, the channel of preacher
who says apostates and proselytizers should be executed.
If the Cork Dawah Centre disagrees, and
condemns the sharia punishment of apostates, I'd love to hear it.
Tell me here.
The Cork Dawah Centre
Hamza Andreas Tzortzis,
who has called for an Islamic state,
"We as Muslims reject the idea of freedom of speech, and even of freedom."
I could go on, but there is enough evidence there
for a sceptical media (if only one existed in Ireland)
to grill the
Cork Dawah Centre
on its "likes"
and demand it say whether it agreed with sharia extremism or not.
and Victoria White do not know what they are talking about.
about this research that makes his meme look ignorant.
he did not thank me
for making him look a fool.
academic Gavan Titley takes a different approach.
presented with evidence
that does not fit his world view,
he simply ignores it.
No reply at all.
The Cork Dawah Centre was officially opened on 12 Oct 2013:
is another anti-American, anti-British, Muslim immigrant.
Qasim Afridi leads a group letter, April 25, 2008, defending shariah.
They claim (of course) that "true shariah" has not yet been implemented.
Like "true communism".
They claim (based on no evidence) that the US and UK
have murdered half a million Iraqis.
"We have no hesitation to condemn terrorism in the name of Islam."
But oddly, condemnation of Palestinian terror against Israel does not follow.
Neither does condemnation of the Taliban or the Iraqi resistance.
In fact, they do not name any specific Islamic terror that they condemn.
If Qasim Afridi condemns the above groups
somewhere, please tell me here.
urges Muslims not to burn flags at a demo,
"Unless someone wants to burn the Zionist flag since we do not recognize the Zionist state".
Qasim Afridi has set up some whining
Muslim immigrant group
which he says
is opposed to integration,
whatever that means. (It doesn't sound good.)
Britain and America are killing innocent Muslims.
Um, then how come the people of Iraq and Afghanistan vote
for parties that cooperate
with the militaries of
Britain and America? What do they know that you don't know?
I asked "Rooh", May 2010, if "Glór Moslamach" would condemn Palestinian terror against Israel, Al Qaeda terror, the Taliban,
the Iraqi resistance, or any other specific
terrorism in the name of Islam.
I predicted he would refuse to give an answer.
He did refuse to give an answer.
This makes their condemnation of "terrorism in the name of Islam" rather unconvincing, to say the least.
An example of the level of "argument" by "Rooh":
A perfectly reasonable guy called D. Moloney says drone attacks
probably kill mostly terrorists not civilians.
"Rooh" responds by screaming that:
"people like Mr Baloney would consider it appropriate to attack and stab any Muslim in Ireland thinking that they are terrorists."
"Rooh" peddles conspiracy theories.
Unable to believe that Muslims are killing Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan,
he believes the suicide bombings must be caused by infidels:
"unless of course they send in a private company like black water and bomb Ireland
and blame it on Muslims, like they have done in Iraq and Pakistan".
OK it may be beneath us to be engaging with a logic-free zone like "Rooh".
But on the bigger issue, if "Glór Moslamach" ever does condemn any specific Islamic terror,
please tell me here.
Kotwal praises the Taliban.
Jump to here
in the Prime Time 2006 program.
"The Taliban did a good job.
But of course they had some weaknesses.
They needed support. They needed time.
And it was very sad that they did not get that support.
But still it was a model for the rest of the world."
He denies Bin Laden carried out 9/11.
"Osama Bin Laden, look at him.
His appearance is like prophet Muhammad.
You can see it in his face.
He's a good, God-fearing man."
(Iraqi refugee in Ireland).
He is very anti-American.
He blames America, not the Iraqi resistance, for the killings in Iraq.
Colm Gillis, in a letter of 7 Jan 2011, shows that converts to the Islamic religion also often convert to
a distorted view of history and politics.
Gillis claims that the huge number of
Islamic tyrannies are
"by and large creations of Anglo-French policies after World War One".
Nothing to do with Islam, of course.
They would all be liberal parliamentary democracies or something if it weren't for the West.
He claims that in the West,
we only think we are free to vote for who we want,
and believe what we want.
"Democracy is not the great Nirvana portrayed by Mr Myers. Consent is manufactured",
he says, using the pathetic excuse of that nut
for how no one votes for him.
Oh yes, we are just idiots whose consent is "manufactured".
We are not strong free men like Gillis and Chomsky.
He claims that Islam
the people of North Africa and the Middle East
when it conquered them by the sword and forced them to accept Islam
or live as second-class dhimmis (which they still are today).
Ian O'Doherty does a TV show,
"Now It's Personal", 15 Nov 2011, meeting Ireland's Muslim community,
and has some interesting encounters.
Talbot St mosque
comes across as pleasant, but then
declares that people who blaspheme against his religion should be jailed,
or even attacked violently. "If you drew a cartoon of the prophet Muhammad I'd probably knock you out".
About the cartoonist living under death threat:
"They should have put that guy away, not given him bloody 24 hour security.
They should have put him away in prison".
"Beyond Belief" on Islam, RTE TV, 7 Oct 2013.
On RTE Player here:
and clips on YouTube here:
A fascinating show.
It looked bad to begin with.
Four devout believers
plus Islam apologist
No sceptics at all.
No one to ask hard questions.
It looked bad, and the Islamist and jihadist got an easy ride to start with.
At the halfway mark it looked like a puff piece.
But then all of a sudden the host
started asking hard questions about sharia law, the ECFR,
death for apostasy, attacks on Christians,
uncomfortable quotes from the Koran.
In the clip above, Peelo has just asked the
devout religious fundamentalist
Muhammad Taufiq Sattar
about the death sentence for apostasy.
Now this poor man
has just had his entire family killed
in a random arson attack on the wrong address
by a gang of street scum.
(They were aiming for another house 2 doors away.)
Here is his chance to stand up against the death penalty for apostasy.
But he does not.
He uses rambling metaphors, and never addresses the question.
One is left with an impression that he has no problem with the death penalty for apostasy.
says Ireland should control the immigration of extremists:
"Neither should the [Irish] government allow in any further senior clerics from outside Ireland,
from places like Egypt or Sudan.
Many of these recent arrivals are preaching a message that is divisive
and ultimately very dangerous to Ireland and its citizens."
Open question to Shaheed Satardien:
Can you state that everyone in the world
should have the right to draw cartoons of Muhammed,
Jesus or any other figure.
Can you state that all Muslims in the world should have the right to freely convert
to any other religion, or to atheism,
Let me know the answer here.
Letter, 2 Feb 2007:
"The Supreme Muslim Council of Ireland would like to say that it believes that the rule of civil law,
the democratic system of representation in government,
the protection of the rights of women and minorities
and the freedom of thought and belief - under all of which we live here in Ireland -
are not only compatible with Islamic values but are closer to the ethos and spirit of tolerance,
pluralism and peace in Islam and better serve the Irish Muslim community
than the undemocratic regimes and the draconian judicial systems
found in some predominately Muslim countries today."
Great stuff, but still not enough.
Can the Supreme Muslim Council of Ireland answer my questions above?
Shaheed Satardien is attacked by politically-correct left-wingers and conservative Muslim groups:
that extremist Islamist views are widespread among young Muslims in Ireland.
I agree with
that those who want to deny any possible Islamism problem
- like the NCCRI
and conservative Muslim groups like the ICCI -
are liable to increase "Islamophobia",
while Muslims who challenge Islamism like Satardien
are liable to reduce it.
The ICCI says:
"We have 1,000 people coming to the mosque here at each of the weekend prayer meetings,
and many are horrified that extreme and complete untrue statements are being made,
and allowed to go almost unchallenged."
What are they talking about?
The appalling statements of their fascist associate
No. They are talking about claims that Islamist ideas are spreading among young Irish Muslims.
The ICCI's reaction makes one afraid that these claims must be true.
Then the ICCI says:
"We have had to deal with enough anti-Islam criticism through the years,
but when it comes from one of your supposed own, it is even more difficult to deal with."
Frankly, that sounds like a threat to any Muslim who dares to speak against Islamism.
Not a physical threat, but certainly a threat of
ostracism in the Muslim community.
If the ICCI welcomes Muslims who attack Islamism,
there is no sign of it here.
Describing Satardien as
"one of your supposed own" is a particularly nasty, closed-ranks, tribal
turn of phrase.
As I say, groups like the ICCI merely spread fear of Islam
with reactions like this.
Ali Al Saleh, quoted on 14 Mar 2010:
"In Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, the niqab and the burqa is the culture.
But in Ireland we know the niqab means extremism and radicalism. I have lived in Ireland for more than 25 years and we didn't have the niqab before. This is worrying, as it is a sign we are not successful in defeating extremism.
Extremism is the last stage before being recruited by terrorists. Not all extremists are terrorists, but all terrorists are extremists."
He is a rare Muslim voice in Ireland who does not hate the Americans for liberating Iraq:
"Tomorrow will be the third anniversary of the invasion of Iraq. In many countries today - including Ireland - people opposed to that war will be demonstrating against the invasion which liberated my people ...
But I have to ask these demonstrators some questions. Do you not want my people to enjoy democracy? Do you not want us to breathe the same air of freedom that you breathe? ...
Three years ago, about 100,000 well-intentioned but badly-informed people
in Dublin protested against our liberation from one of the world's most oppressive dictatorships".
On the "anti-war" lies that
blame Bush and Blair for the jihad killings:
"Critics of the war claim that the liberation of Iraq has caused the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis. But this is absolutely false. Far more people are killed by terrorist attacks than were killed in the initial invasion
In my own family, these losses are especially personal. My wife lost three brothers in one terrorist attack last year. Multinational forces did not kill them; instead, terrorists with no place in a free and democratic Iraq killed them."
And to finally blow the brains of any Irish lefties:
"As Iraqis living in Ireland ... We thank the Dáil for its resolution in March 2003 endorsing the use of Shannon airport by multinational forces".
What does the anti-American
John Neill, Archbishop of Dublin
think of that?
If it is true that these people are connected to the Taliban,
then they should be deported, even if their lives are in danger.
We should not care about the lives and safety of fascists.
We should not let them in,
because they will only attack us.
People who do not believe in Western values should not be let in to the West,
even if they are being persecuted.
The Irish Daily Mail
the irony of them desecrating a Christian church in Ireland rather than a mosque:
"Here was a group of Muslim zealots, some of whom were allied in Afghanistan
to political groups who treat Christianity with murderous contempt."
OK, so maybe it is false that they are Muslim zealots.
But why did they desecrate a church rather than a mosque?
Prime Time, RTE TV, 18 December 2006,
investigates Islamist extremism and terror groups in Ireland.
Conference promoting Hamas and other violent Islamists, held in Dublin, Apr 2009.
Irish Times report.
Sheikh Yousef al Baz, a Muslim cleric from the West Bank,
who said: "resistance is the only way, and not negotiation
We supported the jihad and we will do so until Allah grants us victory".
"Pro-Hamas paraphernalia, including DVDs featuring armed Hamas fighters
and Sheikh Yassin
.. were on sale at the event.".
Speakers also included the pro-terror
"Mr Tamimi drew applause when he praised insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan. He said he disagreed with the Taliban's views on certain matters, but added: "With regard to their attitudes to liberation I say 'Long live the Taliban'."
"Richard Boyd Barrett of the Irish Anti-War Movement told attendees that it was "entirely legitimate" to argue that "Israel has no right to exist"".
Soaked with trendy
leftie moral equivalence,
it actually compares a peaceful Christian preacher to a violent Islamist jihadi.
Interview with Marshall, June 2010:
"Q: I had actually been planning to ask you if you'd gotten flack from the Christian community for comparing a Christian missionary to a Taliban sympathizer.
A: No, they didn't have a problem with that. They didn't even see our point that they're similar."
Yeah, apart from the killing and stuff.
"Q: Did you see a similarity in Aaron's idea that America is God's country and Khalid's belief in a future Muslim caliphate?
A: Totally. You have these two competing visions of world orders based on religious values that were given by gods centuries ago, which are absolutely frightening.
Everybody has their own idea of a New World Order.
Even liberals in their view of a great free market system, that's a caliphate, too."
How can you begin to reply to such stupidity?
Marshall believes, of course, that poor countries are poor not because of the
lack of economic freedom.
No, it's apparently our fault.
These countries have
"economic realities that are the end game of colonialism".
He believes that opposition to the great Obama must be racist.
And so on.
He plans to set up a fascist group called
"Islam for Ireland"
to threaten Irish freedom.
His new name is "Abu Osama".
He is an Irish convert to Islam,
and former male nurse
in Saudi Arabia.
He spoke at the protest outside the Belgian embassy in Dublin
in May 2010,
where he said that
he dreamt of seeing "the black flag of Islam" over Dáil Éireann.
Metro Eireann reported in
on an extremist called "Abu Usuma".
He is an Irish convert to Islam,
and former male nurse
in Saudi Arabia.
He spoke at the protest outside the Belgian embassy in Dublin
in May 2010,
openly supported the killing of Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks.
"In Islamic jurisprudence, if anyone is capable they have an obligation to kill this man.
There were people arrested in Ireland
for [allegedly] conspiring to kill this man; they were arrested for conspiring to fulfil their duty in Islam."
The Irish state is working to protect us from those who
threaten our freedom:
"Kelly complains he has been visited on several occasions by the security services since his return."
The liberal, pro-Ireland Muslim
Mohammed Al Kabour writes a letter to the Irish Times, 4 Aug 2010, in response to the news about Kelly:
"As an Irish Muslim I'll say this loud and clear, I love Ireland and its people and we Irish Muslims will be the first to condemn Khalid Kelly .. and be there to stop him at each step of the way.
We Muslims in Ireland who respect and cherish Ireland's hard fought freedoms, democracy and security will not let this twisted man endanger this country."
He gave an interview to the Irish edition of the
Sunday Mirror, Sun 8 May 2011,
in which he seemed to threaten US President Obama (due to visit Ireland on 23 May 2011):
"President Obama will be murdered by a suicide bomber on his historic trip to
Ireland, terror suspect Khalid Kelly has warned.
He warned that terror squads are on standby, awaiting their orders from al-Qaeda
He said: "We always take our guidance from al-Qaeda and are just waiting for a
message to come over the internet."
[He] vowed to celebrate
"Personally I would feel happy if Obama was killed. How could I not
feel happy when a big enemy of Islam is gone?"
Khalid even says he would assassinate the US leader himself - but fears he is
too well known to gardai.
He explained: "If he was coming next year, and I went to Afghanistan and I came
from there under a false name with no beard like
Muhammad Sadiq Khan
then I could do something. But I'm open here in Dublin.""
As a result of these statements he was arrested on Thur 12 May.
He complains about his arrest at fellow fascist Anjem Choudary's site, 13 May 2011.
"Loud screaming and bad language ensued which is the way of the Irish kuffar taghut regime".
Hopefully he will go back to the third world soon
and leave us to enjoy our
taghut regime in peace.
Khalid Kelly declines to condemn the killing of the 8 year old in the Boston bombings, Apr 2013.
"Three people get killed and they have a big day of remembrance.
They should remember the people they are killing.
This is a war and they should be thankful that it wasn't more.
Sheikh Osama Bin Laden said that until the last soldier leaves our land,
you will never enjoy one day of security. And his words are coming true now.
They are worried all the time and they should be worried.
As long as you are killing people, then you will be killed.
This is a taste of the same medicine that America is dishing out around the world."
He thinks homeland bombings are only to be expected:
"You have come to our homeland and are bombing and killing Muslims.
If people cannot get to the Jihad, what are they going to do?
They are going to fight the enemy where they can find them.
Whether it is right or not I don't know, but I'm telling you what is happening. And in America, where they have easy access to weapons, it's honestly surprising that it's not happening every week."
This is a jihadist group, fighting for sharia, not for freedom:
The Quilliam Foundation
describes the group as "jihadist".
They are fighting to enslave Syria under Islamic sharia law.
They say they are fighting for
"the establishment of
a righteous Islamic regime"
reports on the group:
"The Facebook page for Liwa al-Ummah is a mix of battle updates, photographs of training sessions, and grainy footage of operations ... It also includes a video clip of the late Abdullah Azzam
... who provided the theological underpinning for the jihad against the Soviets ...
A message bylined by Harati contains an invitation to "join the jihad in the land of al-Sham.""
Google's translation of their
"First: Jihad for the sake of God until the liberation of Syria and the elimination of the criminal tyrant and his gang. Second: Stand with the heroic Syrian people to achieve victory and
the establishment of rightly guided Islamic rule"
They are jihadis.
is an Irish Muslim jihadist fighting for
who for some reason is
feted by the Irish media.
They never show any interest in what exactly he is fighting for.
42 percent of Irish people agree that:
"Islamic fundamentalism is a serious threat for our country".
46 percent of Irish people agree that:
"We must stop countries like Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons,
even if that means taking military action".
Survey of Irish people, Irish Times, 16 Sept 2010,
shows Irish people may be to the right of me on Islam:
49 percent of Irish say wearing the burka in public should be banned.
36 percent say it should not.
I probably think it should not be banned.
But I do think wearing it (or the niqab)
should be grounds for denying immigrants entry
in the first place.
Irish Attitudes Toward Israel.
Rory Miller, 1 October 2006, speculates on the future of Islam in Ireland:
"The local Muslim community is small approaching twenty thousand. ...
The local Muslims are far less extreme than many in Britain, France, or Germany.
When the Mohammed cartoons appeared in Denmark, a few hundred Muslims marched through the streets of Dublin. Their placards were relatively mild by Muslim standards, carrying texts such as: 'You must respect the Prophet.' I have no doubt that in a few years they will carry placards saying, like elsewhere, that people should be killed, or that Europe is dead."
Irish Muslim cleric
Moulana Ghulam Ahmed Rabbani
Irish Sufi Foundation
in a protest at Google headquarters, Dublin, Sept 2012.
A protest against Islamic terror videos
No, of course not.
A protest against the film
Innocence of Muslims.
declares that the maker of the film
"terrorised the world"
by criticising Muhammad.
He says the film maker
"should be arrested".
He never condemns the
in response to the film.
He issues the sinister declaration that:
"We will struggle till the last drop of our blood."