Oddly enough, the main Christian churches over the last number of years have developed
what might be called a "left-wing foreign policy"
- anti-America, anti-Britain, anti-Israel,
and generally sympathetic to Arab and Muslim causes
and foreign tyranny.
The Christian churches are clearly going to be of no help in
the current war
to protect (among other things) their world too.
Roland Shirk, December 14, 2010, asks why the churches have become left-wing on many issues (the economy, foreign policy, Islam) since the late 20th century.
"It would take not a single blog post but a very long essay indeed to analyze why Christian churches and leaders now embrace irresponsible leftist politics that they never would have in previous decades - as if the text of the Bible or the Church Fathers had suddenly morphed, yielding radically different doctrines than prevailed for some 20 Christian centuries."
Of course, I'm not a fan of their previous doctrines either!
But it is interesting how they have changed.
is good to read if you can't stand Rowan Williams.
Online game - Bash the Bishop!
(With a sponge)
"a game to relieve you of your Sharia stress"
From The Sun.
may be a dumbed-down tabloid,
but they sure know what we all feel like doing
every time we see that idiot
is one of those hopeless anti-Americans
from whom we can expect no serious moral guidance.
The moral failure of Rowan Williams
- He urges America to recognise that terrorists can
"have serious moral goals".
He is talking, as he says himself, about al-Qa'eda,
whose goals are the establishment of Islamofascist rule
and the extermination of unbelievers.
He clearly regards calling al-Qa'eda "evil"
and declaring total war against them
He described the liberation of Iraq as
I despair at the 9/11 naivety of Rowan Williams
by Rev. Peter Mullen, September 07, 2004
- "This is a high-grade sample of the drivel we have heard these past three years
from those in the West who despise the civilisation which is their inheritance.
Of course the suicide bombers had "other options""
Moral confusion at Canterbury
- Rowan Williams talks about irrelevant issues like
Guantanamo Bay, yet ignores a far bigger issue:
".. the systematic
worldwide Islamist persecution of Christians.
In country after country, radical Islamists are murdering Christians and attacking their churches.
In the face of such global terror against its own flock, the Church remains quite astoundingly mute. Through such craven
silence, it unforgiveably betrays its own followers.
But it also effectively abandons others - including moderate Muslims,
Jews, Hindus and secularists -
who are similarly the explicit targets of this Islamist fascism."
On his knees before terror
- Melanie Phillips on Rowan Williams' sermon
on the 3rd anniversary of 9/11.
"You would never think, from the Archbishop's remarks, that he was the leader of a Christian world
that is under murderous attack in
Nigeria, Sudan, Pakistan and many other countries
by an Islamic jihad that clearly states it intends to wipe out or subjugate Christianity
throughout the lands of the medieval Caliphate. Not a word of this escaped the Archbishop's lips.
Instead - unbelievably - he cast Christianity as the villain of the piece"
Instead of telling them some hard truths about the
oppression, persecution and killing of Christians
in Muslim lands,
he praises all their prejudices,
and gives out endlessly about America, Israel and the West.
"His voice is gentle"
- as if that matters a damn when what he says is so disgusting.
He talks about persecuted Christians in Iraq
- and blames "the West" rather than Islamism!
He talks about persecuted Christians in Palestine
- and blames "the wall" rather than Islamism!
He talks about persecuted Christians in Pakistan
- and he is "surprised" by how Muslims there
perceive the tiny Christian minority
as "so deeply threatening".
And yet he doesn't condemn them!
Instead of attacking Islamist religious intolerance,
and oppressive religious and tribal society in the third world,
he attacks western free society:
"There is something about western modernity which really does
eat away at the soul."
Maybe I shouldn't expect any better from him.
He is a religious nut after all.
"I ask him if America has lost the moral high ground since September 11th
and his answer is simple: 'Yes.' "
As if he knows anything about morality.
He has less understanding of the nature of good and evil
than almost anyone in the UK public domain.
What a useless, useless man.
Victor Davis Hanson
responds to this idiot.
"Williams should read a little about British military campaigns in India, and then count the corpses.
I don't recall the British, after their second year in India, fostering nation-wide elections."
Obviously, I have no interest in whether Williams preaches the gospel or not,
but I sympathise with the Christian
"Rowan Williams' fashionably blinkered view of the world reveals him to be far more interested in [an] intellectual fashion show than in preaching the Gospel".
Damian Thompson mocks him:
"So the Archbishop of Canterbury has condemned American imperialism and "Zionists" in a Muslim magazine. That's very brave of you, Rowan! Nothing like confronting your audience with a few uncomfortable truths, eh?"
"One wonders what the millions of Christians persecuted by Islamist terrorists and governments will make of the Archbishop of Canterbury's interview with a Muslim lifestyle magazine. If they are looking for a condemnation of Islamic violence, they will be disappointed."
does a nice detailed reply to Williams' idiotic world view:
On Williams' bizarre claim that nothing has been done to rebuild Iraq:
"has Rowan Williams been in a coma for the last several years, and just completely unaware of these efforts? Or is he playing the utopian game of claiming that US and UK efforts have been worthless because they didn't turn Iraq into paradise overnight and with no cost?"
On Williams' snide remarks about "Christian Zionism"
being behind the support for Israel:
"In the Archbishop's world, there's apparently no room for those who support Israel because 1) it's a Western democracy; 2) it's a staunch ally of the US and UK; 3) it's a haven of safety for people whom many nations have oppressed and expelled, including Britain; 4) it's home to the freest Arab population in the Middle East; 5) it's been the object of multiple invasions and is the object of continuing attacks; 6) insert your favorite reason."
The brave Soviet dissident
on people like Rowan Williams - people who are educated and sophisticated
but have no moral compass.
He contrasts them with people like
who brilliantly called the Soviet Empire "evil".
"Reagan may have confused names and dates, but his moral compass was always good.
Today's leaders, in contrast, may know their facts and figures, but are often woefully
confused about what should be the simplest distinctions between freedom and tyranny,
democrats and terrorists."
He argues that sharia law should be introduced for British Muslims.
The best response to Britain's Greatest Idiot is from
the Muslim Tory
"All British citizens must be subject to British laws developed through Parliament and the courts."
No cleric, of any religion,
can be given any authority to enforce a decision on a British citizen.
(Anyone who wants to voluntarily follow some cleric is of course free to do so.)
on how this buffoon is an enemy, not a friend, of British Muslims:
"his proposal would also mean that Britain would simply abandon its female Muslim citizens whose parlous position in respect of forced marriages, honour killings and all the other horrors that follow from their second-class religious status would be institutionalised by giving sharia law official recognition."
"Archbishop Rowan, Sir, Excellency, might you possibly consider giving up Islam for Lent?
And, converting to Christianity?"
"Dr Williams is the head of a church whose members are being persecuted, harassed, attacked, forcibly converted and murdered in large numbers at the hands of sharia law across Africa and Asia. He has, to my knowledge, said nothing at all about this. Instead, he is now proposing that sharia should be made a 'supplementary jurisdiction' in Britain".
"but how can the Church of England have fallen into such a state .. to be led by someone like this?"
As an atheist, I don't really care about the Anglican church,
but I do have to sympathise with Christians like
"As a practising Christian I have watched with despair as our politicised Archbishop of Canterbury sets about dismantling the Anglican church."
"No wonder the Church of England is in such decline. Who would want to associate with these views?"
And this Christian:
"there is very little joy in admitting it was a terrible mistake to have this gentle but foolish and out-of-touch man elected in the first place!
Even with the best will in the world, it is impossible to understand or excuse such a terrible blunder which has aggravated just about every section of our society, religious or otherwise."
The best answer is from
"Yes. Totally bonkers. Mad as a box of frogs."
Britain's Greatest Idiot
claims not to support the harsher punishments of sharia,
but only "harmless" rules to do with
dispute resolution, marriage, divorce, inheritance and other matters.
But as Sookhdeo points out, these are not so harmless.
"His view of shari`a is utopian and naïve."
For example, the punishments for apostasy and atheism:
"The array of punishments for leaving Islam include not only death, but also matters of family law, the very part of shari`a which the Archbishop wants to see applied in the UK, such as annulment of marriage, loss of access to children, and loss of inheritance."
Again, Rowan Williams is an enemy, not a friend, of British Muslims:
"Embedding shari`a in British law will negatively impact many vulnerable members of the Muslim community: women, children as well as secularists and liberals. They will all face increasing pressure to comply with traditional shari`a norms. Once shari`a is in place, community and religious pressure will make it exceedingly difficult for them to opt to be judged by English law."
And Rowan Williams seems to show little understanding of the church
he is supposedly a leader of:
"Furthermore for the many Anglicans and other Christians living in contexts where shari`a is being applied and causing untold misery and suffering, for example in parts of Nigeria and parts of Sudan, the Archbishop of Canterbury`s suggestions are not just unwise, but insensitive to the point of callousness."
Sayeth the Bishop, strokynge his chin,
"To the Mosque-man, sexe is sinne
So as to staye in his goode-graces
Cover well thy wenches' faces
And abstain ye Chavs from ribaldry
Welcome him to our communitie."
The pilgryms shuffled for the door
To face the rule of the Moor;
He shows no understanding of Mao's China:
"The culture of total state provision collapsed during and after the Cultural Revolution; under Deng Xiaoping, the new tolerance of capitalist enterprise fostered a driven and selfish climate".
Um, the "culture of total state provision" killed
maybe 65 million people.
The state destroyed the economy and the food supply,
and there was apocalyptic, every-man-for-himself,
famine in which the starving Chinese resorted to cannibalism.
In fact, the "culture of total state provision"
caused the greatest famine in the history of the world (1958-61).
Is that of no importance?
How many died of starvation under the post-1978 "selfish" capitalism
that this rich and foolish Westerner sneers at?
Rowan Williams, 14 May 2008,
says that "before the Cultural Revolution" (i.e. before 1966),
Mao's China was
"essentially something which guaranteed everyone's welfare".
Damian Thompson, 8 June 2011:
"The Archbishop of Canterbury’s highly politicised and biased criticisms of the Coalition lessen the dignity of his office."
Prime Minister Cameron responds, Dec 2011. He accuses the Archbishop of failing to
promote Christianity, failing to distinguish right from wrong,
getting up to his neck in partisan politics,
and only representing leftie Christians.
Cameron really nails the clerical buffoon.
Rowan Williams' statements on the 2011 riots:
You don't expect serious moral guidance on the riots from the Archbishop of Canterbury. And you won't get it.
Rowan Williams, 5 Dec 2011:
"Too many of these young people assume they are not going to have any ordinary, human, respectful relationships with adults – especially those in authority, the police above all."
As Peter Mullen replies:
"So the rioters don’t like the police much? Wow! That does come as a revelation. Violent lawbreakers resent the forces of law and order – whatever next? There is more of this sort of wisdom".
New Year's message, Jan 2012.
Instead of condemning the wicked, lazy, greedy, violent, selfish rioters, he said:
"The youngsters out on the streets ... are a minority of their generation – the minority whose way of dealing with their frustrations was by way of random destructiveness and irritability.
We have to ask, what kind of society is it that lets down so many of its young people? That doesn’t provide enough good role models and drives youngsters further into unhappiness and anxiety by only showing them suspicion and negativity."
Yes, people, it is society's fault.
Sickening. No moral compass at all.
Rowan Williams' partisan attack on the Tories over the EU:
Yes, the Church of England even has a position on the EU.
Is there any topic on which Rowan Williams will not give the church's position?
Britain is now
because it does not agree with Rowan Williams' leftie opinions about the EU.
He demands that Britain sign up to fiscal union
"as soon as possible".
Tory MP Brian Binley replies:
"The Church of England is not a political organisation and many members despair at the way it seems to be projecting itself.
The Church’s position in society has diminished during a time when it has as its head a gentleman who seems to think his role is much more that of a national statesman than a religious leader. Perhaps therein lies part of the problem."
He claims that China - where Christians are persecuted -
is the happiest country in the world
because it is more equal.
"If you look at the figures globally, China is happiest, then Japan, then the Netherlands – because they are the most equal societies."
Where does he get this from?
Googling does not reveal any such ranking.
Tom Chivers, 8 Jan 2013, points out that China is not happier than Britain by any measure.
Nor is it even more equal than Britain.
Not to mention the fact that it is a communist dictatorship!
Michael Nazir-Ali, Bishop of Rochester, Apr 2007,
praises the terror state of Iran
for not killing its
"I saw on the one hand what Iran was doing,
and what the president [of Iran] said had much to do with the moral and spiritual tradition
of their country.
The president talked about the religious background to the release,
with reference to the Prophet's birthday and the passing over of Christ.
What struck me was that if there were any values on the British side
they were free-floating and not anchored in a spiritual and moral tradition."
Let's parse this. The unelected, so-called
"president" of Iran is involved in killing British soldiers in Iraq,
oppressing his own people, and persecuting, torturing and executing minorities
and political dissenters.
These are his "values",
those of eastern despotism and cruelty,
and we are supposed to admire them
because they are overlain with a veneer of religious bullshit?
Meanwhile, the brave British soldiers are fighting and dying
in order to give Iraqis
one chance at freedom, one chance to escape from the Iran-like despotism
that has dominated their history and the entire region.
The British soldiers are the ones who are fighting a brave fight of good against
and they are the ones whose values are in question,
because they do not cover them with a veneer of religious bullshit?
What Michael Nazir-Ali is saying, as so many religious people have said throughout history, is:
"No matter how evil you are, no matter what you are doing,
if you spout about religion, I will in some way admire you."
On Islam in Britain:
"there has been a worldwide resurgence of the ideology of Islamic extremism. One of the results of this has been to further alienate the young"
[i.e. young British Muslims]
"from the nation in which they were growing up and also to turn already separate communities into "no-go" areas where adherence to this ideology has become a mark of acceptability.
Those of a different faith or race may find it difficult to live or work there because of hostility to them and even the risk of violence. In many ways, this is but the other side of the coin to far-Right intimidation."
The Bishop of Durham,
attacks Western countries for trying to depose non-Western dictators:
"For Bush and Blair to go into Iraq together was like a bunch of white vigilantes going into Brixton to stop drug dealing. This is not to deny there's a problem to be sorted, just that they are not credible people to deal with it".
The Archbishop of York,
attacks Blair for deposing Saddam:
"Undoubtedly, a very wicked leader has been removed, but there are wicked leaders in other parts of the world."
See Oliver Kamm
The Archbishop of Wales,
issued the most disgusting
on the death of the terrorist and mass murderer
"When I heard the news of his death this morning, my initial reaction was to pray that in death Yasser Arafat will find that peace which only God can give and which was denied him in life."
Bishop Stephen Venner
"We've been too simplistic in our attitude towards the Taliban.
simply to say therefore that everything they do is bad is not helping the situation. The Taliban can perhaps be admired for their conviction to their faith and their sense of loyalty to each other."
In the past, churchmen made cruel and arbitrary moral judgements
based on a nonsensical holy book.
In the present, their job is to attack anyone who makes any moral judgements at all
I'm not sure which is worse.
Perry de Havilland, 14 Dec 2009:
"But how is 'conviction' and 'loyalty' in the service of evil somehow admirable?"
Nile Gardiner is brilliant, 14 Dec 2009:
"During the Second World War, remarks like these about the enemy would have rightly been regarded as an act of treason.
Bishop Venner's comments are a sickening disgrace
At a time of war, political and religious leaders must never give comfort to the enemy. That is exactly what Venner has done - he has crossed the line and disgraced his position.
He should also do the decent thing and step down from his post - it's hard to see how Bishop Venner can serve his country with an ounce of dignity after offering the Taliban a propaganda coup."
And because we know, we just know that the Bishop
has only vague ideas about what exactly the Taliban do,
here again is
The Taliban way of war.
George Carey, Archbishop of Canterbury (1991-2002)
criticises Islam, 2004:
"it is sad to relate that no great invention
has come for many hundred years from Muslim countries."
magazine, Issue 6, Summer 2007,
advocates hacking attacks against Israel.
Shame on the World Council of Churches
and anyone who associates with them.
Note their support for the
anti-Israel Irish charity
"I feel very strongly that economic links to America have made us very blind to the moral issues",
said the Archbishop, who thinks that the moral issue is to oppose, not support, the war.
"I think as a nation there has not been sufficient questioning of these rendition flights and the link of Ireland with the war in Iraq, whether we like it or not.
I feel that the Irish Government have compromised themselves.
People will say that politics always has an element of compromise, but I believe one of the chief moral issues of today is the issue of war."Again, this arrogant assertion that morality is on his side
rather than on his opponents' side.
He just assumes his opponents are driven by economic greed, or some other compromise.
It never seems to occur to him that his opponents are driven by morality too.
Tony Allwright says
it is shocking that people like John Neill,
and members of the Green Party,
"have such little regard for one of the Arab world's few constitutional democracies
that they likewise would wish to impede its legitimate Government's desire for foreign assistance in trying to bring security to its beleaguered people.
Ireland should be proud of its small contribution in making Shannon available to the brave American soldiers as they try to help the Iraqis.
and her cohorts should be ashamed of their obstructionism and the additional loss of Iraqi life this could entail were they successful in thwarting the Americans."
Susan Hood, of the
Church of Ireland's Representative Church Body,
leads an Irish ecumenical (Anglican, Catholic, Methodist, Presbyterian)
visit to the Holy Land in 2008.
I admire her historical work,
but she seems to understand little about the Arab-Israeli conflict.
"to identify with the plight of 200,000 Christians left in Israel/Palestine."
She says Christians are
"now diminished to just 2 per cent of the overall population".
But for some reason
she has no interest in saying why.
(The triumphant, all-pervasive Islamism that increasingly makes it impossible to be
a non-Muslim under the Hamas and Fatah Islamic regimes.)
For some reason, she does not complain about the oppression of Christians by Islamists,
the hatred and incitement to murder
in Palestinian schools and TV,
the vile terror attacks against women and children,
and the lack of democracy or any desire for peace among the Palestinians.
she complains about counter-terrorism measures that would be removed the day the terror threat ended.
She complains about
"the devastating effects of the Separation Wall"
and so on, as if these were the causes of the conflict.
As long as people in the West think this way,
Christians in the Palestinian territories have a bleak future.
to Susan Hood:
"I was disappointed and a little shocked that neither she nor the churchmen she interviewed saw fit to mention the chief reason for much Christian suffering in the region, namely the attacks on Christians and on churches by militant Muslim groups.
These attacks, many resulting in bloodshed and murder, have been calculated attempts to remove a non-Muslim presence from Gaza and the West Bank. The Christian population there has declined severely, whereas the community in Israel has increased steadily over the past 60 years. Other religious minorities in Israel - notably the Baha'is, a community persecuted or banned in all Muslim countries - have flourished. By ignoring this disparity, the article leaves the reader with a broad impression that Israel is to blame for all these problems.
How far from the truth that is."
Rev. Patrick Comerford, 6 Aug 2012,
declares that Israel is more of a problem than Iran or Syria or North Korea!
"Meanwhile, three countries remain outside the NPT regime ... India, Pakistan and Israel, each with its own nuclear capacity ... These are real threats to our survival, more so than the imaginary threats posed at the moment by Iran, Syria and North Korea."
He cannot understand why America would treat democracies different to dictatorships:
"It is hypocrisy that the US ... is applying economic sanctions and threatening military action against Iran which has not got a single nuclear weapon, while the US opposes any sanctions against Israel, which has as many as 400 nuclear warheads".
He wants America to treat democracies the same as dictatorships!
The unholy "Christian" case against war
by Christopher Hitchens, March 10, 2003.
Hitchens is, like me, an atheist amused by the church opposition
to war on Iraq.
People regard this as having some moral force,
ignoring the churches' appalling record on war.
The church did not support the Allies in World War Two, for example.
by Joseph D'Hippolito,
Jan 5, 2004
- asks "whether a pope and his Vatican
that behaved like Winston Churchill in the face of communism
will continue to behave like Neville Chamberlain in the face of jihadism and Islam."
The moral sickness of the modern church was made clear
in Feb 2003,
when the Pope granted an audience to the Iraqi butcher
trying to find a way to help him and his fellow mass-murdering thugs
stay in power.
Aziz prayed at the tomb of St. Francis of Assisi
and called for "peace".
The Pope did not condemn Aziz's regime.
Pope John Paul II,
who once stood up to Soviet tyranny,
"At this hour of sadness at the passing of President Yasser Arafat ...
While entrusting his soul into the hands of the Almighty and Merciful God ...".
Whatever moral authority the pope had during the Cold War,
he's burnt it now.
On economics, the Catholic church also at some point, without anyone noticing,
became bog-standard socialists.
Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, Jan 2009, rather overreacts to the present financial crisis:
"he went on to say that in 1989, with the collapse of the Berlin wall, that 'communism had died'.
In 2008, he said, 'capitalism had died'."
"Want a bet?", is all I'll say.
Go away and come back in 10 years and see who's right - me or the churchman.
- The Catholic church runs a range of Anti-Israel and Anti-American charities.
He says about the Iranian terror masters:
"they have then chosen to put their faith into action to resolve the situation.
Faith in a forgiving God has been exemplified in action by their good deeds.
They are offering to release the sailors and marines, not just as the result of diplomacy,
but also as an act of mercy in accordance with their religion."
Their "religion" being eastern despotism, cruelty,
and the arbitrary whims of tyrants.
"We all profess to hold a faith that comes from Abraham - the Father of all Nations."
No we don't.
"We all adore the one, merciful God, who will be mankind's judge on the last day."
I don't, and he will not be, and there will be no such day.
"All nations form one community: we come from the one God who created us,"
No we don't.
There is no evidence we were created by anyone.
"and we will return to the one God as our common destiny."
Again, nonsense. We will not "return" anywhere.
I guess if Thomas Burns believes all this made-up nonsense,
it's no surprise he is impressed that the Iranian thugs believe the same.
Catholic Archbishop of Sydney, Cardinal George Pell, 2006:
"In my own reading of the Koran, I began to note down invocations to violence.
There are so many of them, however, that I abandoned this exercise after 50 or 60 or 70 pages."
The Pope is an Argentine nationalist, which suggests he will have crap politics on many topics.
The Pope's disgusting views on the Falklands.
As a Cardinal in 2012 he said at a service for Argentine soldiers who died in the Falklands War:
"We come to pray for all who have fallen, sons of the homeland who went out to defend their mother, the homeland, and to reclaim what is theirs, that is of the homeland, and it was usurped."
In 2009 he described the Falklands as:
"this land which is ours
... the native soil."
As an atheist with no interest in the absurd doctrines of Catholicism, I ultimately must agree
with a comment here:
"Well he's wrong about a lot of things, so it's no surprise he's wrong about the Falklands as well."
"The spirit of curiosity generates confusion and distances a person from the Spirit of wisdom, which brings peace, said Pope Francis in his homily during Thursday morning Mass at Casa Santa Marta."
The crazy holy man said it was wrong:
"when we want to be the masters of the projects of God, of the future, of things, to know everything, to have everything in hand ...
The spirit of curiosity distances us from the Spirit of wisdom because all that interests us is the details, the news, the little stories of the day.
And the spirit of curiosity is not a good spirit. It is the spirit of dispersion, of distancing oneself from God, the spirit of talking too much. And Jesus also tells us something interesting: this spirit of curiosity, which is worldly, leads us to confusion."
Ironically, without curiosity, Christianity would never have started:
In Acts 17,
is in the great old city of
and discovers both scepticism and curiosity.
As he explains
the ludicrous new religion of Christianity,
"certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoics"
"What will this babbler say?"
But others want to know more,
because of that wonderful Athenian curiosity.
"For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing."
Paul doesn't seem to admire that curiosity much.
Talk about ingratitude!
Pope Francis comes out against a US strike on Assad's Syria, 2 Sept 2013:
"War never again! Never again war!" I criticise the Pope
to his face:
"Are you the same fellow who defended the Falklands invasion by Argentina?"
Isn't Twitter fun!
"whereas on politics his statements display a passionate certainty that exceeds the amount of thought
invested in their construction, the opposite is true of his approach to church matters."
- The Times, leader, 9 Nov 2010, on Rowan Williams, the idiot Archbishop of Canterbury,
who spends all his time attacking Western democracies on political matters with his latest half-baked opinions
from The Guardian,
while largely ignoring the decline of his church
and the terrible persecution of Christians worldwide.
"More recently he has cultivated a special affection for one faith in particular.
Unfortunately it is not his own."
Daniel Johnson, July/Aug 2011, on the love of Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, for Islam.
I am not even a Christian, but I wish that Rowan Williams would defend and promote Christianity.
How must actual Christians feel?