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Islam in the UK
As I say on the
Islam in the West
page,
most Muslim immigrants come to the West precisely because they support its freedoms
and want to escape failed states ruled by clerics and Islamic dictators.
We have a duty to let these freedom-loving Muslims in.
Western Muslims are the most liberal, tolerant, pro-democracy Muslims in the world.
All the dissidents are here
- the religious dissidents,
the political dissidents,
the feminist dissidents, and
the gay dissidents.
All the dissident works
- such as criticism of Islam and
Islamism
- are published in the West.
This is all much to be celebrated.
However, there is a substantial minority
(10-20 percent)
of immigrants
who threaten our western freedoms.
They are
Islamists
- essentially religious fascists who want to impose their religious beliefs
on the rest of us.
What to do about these aggressors is one of the questions of our time.
- Islam in the UK
- The creepy "Islam is Peace" ad campaign.
- Why creepy?
Look at their 5 point plan:
No mention of
fighting (or even criticising!)
those Muslims who support terror, violence and oppression.
No mention of
opposing sharia law
and defending freedom of religion for apostates, atheists and infidels.
- Robert Spencer gives them a better
5 point plan:
As Spencer points out, if they actually implemented his plan,
it would lead to a dramatic reduction in "Islamophobia".
But of course they are not listening.
- Spencer then works through each of their 5 points in turn:
But of course they are not listening.
- 5 ways to end Islamophobia.
- Comment
notes that those who are informed about Islamism
won't be impressed by the "Islam is Peace" campaign,
and even for uninformed people
"the fact that Islam even has to resort to such tactics, has to make them uncomfortable on some mental level. The existence of the ads just raises the question 'Why do Muslims need to run commercials stating Islam is a religion of peace?' And there's the big 'Oh yeah.. That's right.' moment when trying to answer the question."
- The documentary
"Undercover Mosque",
Dispatches, Channel 4, Jan 2007,
secretly films Islamist extremists in British mosques.
- Transcript
- It shows hatred, religious bigotry, jihad,
and a coming violent revolution against Britain,
being preached at some mainstream British mosques.
Preachers defend
wife-beating
and sex with children.
They call for the killing of homosexuals.
They call for the beating, jailing and killing
of people who do not say their prayers
to a being called "Allah"
(which they believe exists).
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Congratulations to Channel 4 for doing this important service,
and congratulations to their awesomely brave undercover reporter,
who is presumably an actually moderate Muslim.
Britain needs to get serious about this issue.
Britain cannot simply stand by as these preachers breed the next generation of
London bombers.
These preachers have no business living in the West,
and should be jailed or deported.
Almost every Briton agrees with me.
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Police praise Muslim soldiers who acted as 'bait' for beheading gang, 2nd February 2007.
- True British Muslim heroes.
These Muslim British soldiers are not just moderate - they are actually fighting the jihad.
When made aware of a
plot to capture and behead them on video,
these awesomely brave men offered to be
"tethered goats" to catch the whole gang of plotters.
-
These men -
not the creepy triangulator and obstructionist
Sir Iqbal Sacranie
- should be knighted.
- Jabron Hashmi -
Muslim hero, freedom fighter.
Martyr for the freedom of the Muslim people of Afghanistan.
- Opinion Polls of British Muslims
show that a disturbing minority are Islamists:
-
Poll, March 2004
-
13 percent support terror attacks on the US.
-
Poll, July 2005
- 6 percent support terror attacks on Britain.
13 percent have "a lot" of sympathy for the attackers.
- Survey, Feb 2006:
- 16 percent of British Muslims support suicide bombing in Israel.
- 7 percent of British Muslims support suicide bombing in Britain.
- Survey, July 2006:
- 16 percent of British Muslims support the "cause" of the London bombers.
These people should not be living in the West.
If they do not believe in freedom, they should not live in the free world.
They should leave.
- Survey of British Muslims, Channel 4, Aug 2006
(also here)
- 24 per cent
agreed or tended to agree that the 7/7 bombings
were justified.
- 45 per cent think 9/11
was carried out by the US or Israel.
- 36 percent said they wanted Sharia law in the UK.
- Half said British people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted.
- Almost 80 per cent said those who published cartoons of the prophet Mohammed should be punished.
-
Survey of British Muslims, Channel 4, June 2007
- 24 percent of British Muslims deny that
the four British Muslim suicide bombers
carried out the 7/7 attacks.
- 24 percent of British Muslims believe
the British government
carried out the 7/7 attacks.
- Optimism - Few western Muslims support terrorist violence.
- The opinion polls above are a lot better than
polls in the Islamic countries.
Probably 80-90 percent of Muslims in the west we can live happily with.
Only 10-20 percent are a problem.
- Survey, July 2006
also shows that a fantastic
56 percent of British Muslims think the UK government is not doing enough
to fight Islamist extremism.
- Pessimism - They want to end our liberties peacefully.
-
40 percent of Muslims want sharia law in UK.
- That is, 40 percent of British Muslims want to end our western liberties.
They just want to do it peacefully.
If ever they are in the majority, they will end British freedom.
- The poll shows 41 percent of British Muslims don't want sharia law.
And of course they may win the argument,
as, over time, British Muslims finally come to understand and appreciate
what a free society is.
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Still, 40 percent in favour is an appalling number.
It is a strong argument for restricting Islamic immigration
until current Muslims integrate better.
Certainly,
no one who believes in sharia law should be allowed into the West.
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Poll shows Muslims in Britain are the most anti-western in Europe
- Pew Survey, 2006
- Only 17% of British Muslims believe that Arabs carried out 9/11.
- The young are worse than the old:
-
Poll of British Muslims, Jan 2007
(and here)
- 37 percent of young British Muslims want Sharia law in Britain.
- 36 percent of young British Muslims think apostates should be killed.
- 13 percent of young British Muslims said they "admired" Al Qaeda.
- The stats for older British Muslims are much better.
Maybe the young will ditch their fascist views as they grow up.
Or maybe, disturbingly,
the young show what the British Muslims of the future will look like.
- The fantastic young Muslim woman
Munira Mirza
(British-born daughter of Pakistani immigrants)
discusses the report,
and, brilliantly, declines to blame it all on "Iraq" or "Israel"
or some other mythical root cause.
Instead, she blames it on
multiculturalism,
and the patronising left-liberal habit of treating immigrants
as members of groups and tribes,
rather than as individuals and freethinking citizens.
This has helped alienate young British Muslims from British society,
and forced them to look for an alternative identity.
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Brilliantly, she points out that the alternative to multiculturalism,
that is, a proposed unifying culture of Britain,
does not have to be an exclusivist, ethnic, monocultural Anglo-Saxon tribalism,
nor does it have to be just a bland, valueless, greedy consumer society.
Rather the unifying culture of Britain
should be the universal values of the western Enlightenment.
This is what every British immigrant can and should sign up to.
-
Munira Mirza really speaks my language.
I, and people like me, understand the values to promote
to get immigrants to integrate into the West.
The liberal left don't.
Their values will lead to tribalism, alienation, bigotry, racism,
ethnic conflict, and in the long-term
possibly even civil war.
- The "moderate"
Muslim Council of Britain (MCB)
- Inayat Bunglawala
of the MCB
- Inayat Bunglawala,
June 2007,
on the Rushdie case.
He supported killing Rushdie for speech when he was young:
"on February 14 1989, when the Iranian Islamic leader, Imam Khomeini delivered his fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie's death, I was truly elated
...
It seems crazy now, but I really did believe that some committee of learned elders should vet all books before they could be sold to the public.".
But he has grown up a bit since:
"I will readily acknowledge that we were wrong to have called for the book to be banned
...
Our detractors had been right. The freedom to offend is a necessary freedom.".
Good for him.
I'd like to see him condemn blasphemy laws in Islamic countries too
(not just in Britain).
- Inayat Bunglawala, Dec 2007,
refuses to condemn
Islamic states that impose
the death penalty for apostasy.
"He did not do so, merely commenting that "it was a matter for those states"."
- Harry's Place:
"The MCB should issue a public statement which makes it absolutely clear that apostates have a right to change or abandon their faith, both in this country and abroad, publicly or privately, and to proselytise freely: and that their apostasy may be countered only by persuasion.
If the MCB wants to demonstrate that they have a role to play in the mainstream of public life, then it would be sensible for them to make their institutional position on this issue absolutely clear."
- The
Panorama
program
A Question of Leadership,
21 August 2005
- the best BBC
program of the entire Islamist war so far.
Instead of his usual kid gloves treatment,
the "moderate" Iqbal Sacranie gets a proper grilling
as he tries to dodge question after question.
-
Transcript - the weasel words of Iqbal Sacranie
as he
tries to avoid condemning Hamas,
tries to avoid condemning some of the MCB's extremist affiliates,
and tries to avoid condemning the preaching
that the War on Terror is a War on Islam. (*)
- (*) The War on Terror is, of course, a War on Islamism,
but that is something all moderate Muslims should support.
- The extremist
Muslim Association of Britain
(MAB)
- Azzam Tamimi
(also here)
of the MAB
has expressed support for Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Khomenei,
suicide bombings and the destruction of Israel.
- Azzam Tamimi on Israel
(see transcript).
"anybody in the world, with faith or without faith,
must come together in order to eradicate this cancer from the body of humanity.
...
Do you know why Tony Blair, George Bush, and all the members of this camp are so worried?
They are worried because they know the world can see clearly today that Israel is a menace,
is a threat to humanity. They can no longer fool anybody and
they are worried that
this spoiled baby of theirs is about to be thrown out of this human body of ours.
It is just a matter of time.
...
This black chapter in the history of humanity will eventually come to an end"
- Hilarious splicing
of Azzam Tamimi in the speech above
with Azzam Tamimi pretending to be moderate with a credulous NPR host.
-
Andrew C. McCarthy on Azzam Tamimi
Other "moderate" organisations
- The Conservative Muslim Forum
- supposedly "moderate" Tory-supporting British Muslims.
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Conservative Muslim Forum report, Oct 2007
- They attack Britain's lukewarm "support" for Israel:
"the type of unqualified support given to Israel by the current Government is not conducive to British national interests as this could damage Britain's relationships with 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide
...
An incoming Conservative Administration should accept that pro-zionist attitude will not bode well with many. Pro-zionist statements would only damage relationship with Muslims nationally and internationally.".
- On Iran:
"Irrespective of one's views of theocracy, the current Iranian regime was established by a popular revolution, ... and has a significant measure of domestic support. ... hostility to Iran is not in Britain's national interest.
...
Furthermore, Iran has many legitimate security concerns, being surrounded by, what is to them, potentially hostile powers. Instead of joining the United States in demonising Iran, Britain should assist Iran in addressing these legitimate security concerns"
- On preachers of hate like
Yusuf al-Qaradawi:
"We disagree with the suggestion that "foreign preachers and scholars advocating the rejection of the institutions and values of democracy" should be denied entry into Britain.
...
While we may disagree with many views of
Yusuf al-Qaradawi,
we feel it is inaccurate for the Policy Group to question his status as a leading Islamic scholar.
...
Yusuf al-Qaradawi is considered a leading scholar by other many Muslims, including Muslim scholars."
- On Iran's desire for nuclear weapons:
"Given Iran's position in the Middle East, facing a nuclear-armed Israel, Iran appears to have legitimate reasons for seeking nuclear weapons for defensive purposes."
- As the
Tories here say,
what are these weirdos doing in the Conservative party?
Shouldn't they be in a party more suited to them,
such as RESPECT?
- The
Muslim Public Affairs Committee UK (MPAC UK)
-
Asghar Bukhari
supported
killing Salman Rushdie
when he was young
("I felt that, yeah, if Ayatollah Khomeini is
saying kill him, kill him."),
and still today defends
suicide bombing in Israel
(and here).
- MPAC,
6 Aug 2006, show their true extremist face:
-
"MPAC's world view is simple. We are at War.
MPAC believes every Muslim man woman and child is a target in that War.
And we believe that it is FARD
upon every capable Adult to defend the Ummah.
We also adopt the position that every Muslim who does not participate in that war
is committing a crime against those they allow to be murdered, raped and persecuted
and against his or her Lord.
...
Whether or not the failing to take part in Jihad to protect the Ummah leads
one into hypocrisy and out of the fold of Islam is something we have not found the answer too.
...
When innocent people are murdered one has no option but to act with time or money
to fight the Jihad. This is beyond any reasonable doubt to any thinking man
...
Those ACTIVE Muslims who will give their time to the Jihad,
or their money, are few in number, and no single organisation can take these enemies on.
The few willing to fight are poor, under funded, man power starved Muslim organisations
and they cannot compete. There is a capability Gap between the enemy and us.
A Gap that must be bridged if we have any hope of protecting ourselves."
- "The enemy even when in the open is immune from any counter action by the Muslims,
such is the deep coma these institutions have put us in.
This can be seen no more clearly then in the case of powerful members of Parliament backing Israel.
These men are comfortable, they know that the thousands of Muslims that elected them
are so ignorant and comatose that they can attack Muslims without
any form of action or challenge by the Muslims and their institutions.
This is a fact, and can proven by the election of
the Vice Chairman of the friends of Israel
by 15000 Muslim zombies
eight years in a row.
Not one Muslim has taken it upon himself to remove him.
This highlights more then any other the Zombie like state we are in."
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What does "remove him" mean?
This sounds like a threat against an MP.
If MPAC are making threats like this, they should be made an illegal organisation.
- The
Islamic "Human Rights" Commission
complains about just about any criticism of Islam
or Islamism.
If they supposedly believe in "Human Rights", shouldn't they believe in the
right to free speech to criticise any religion or political ideology?
After all, I am an atheist and a neo-conservative who believes in human rights,
and I firmly believe in the right of anyone to criticise atheism or neo-conservatism.
Possibly real moderates
- Look like actually moderate Muslims
(I need to find out more about these):
- One point is lost in the discussion about the lack of moderate Muslim groups
in Britain, and it is this.
Moderate British Muslims, who support British society,
are far more likely to want to join mainstream British organisations,
rather than set up their own separate Muslim sectarian group.
-
Hence two points:
- Muslim groups are likely to be inherently extremist, tribal, insular,
religiously conservative, non-moderate,
or otherwise unpleasant.
They will almost by definition
attract those who are alienated from British society.
Whereas the many British Muslims who are well integrated and successful
will have little interest in joining some whining tribal grievance group.
- Muslim groups do not (and never will) represent British Muslims.
- As I say,
I think jihadis who have been let in to the West should be deported.
- For example, I think all members of the following groups
should be deported:
-
Al-Muhajiroun /
Al-Ghurabaa /
The Saved Sect /
ASWJ
(Omar Bakri Muhammad,
Anjem Choudary,
Abu Izzadeen,
Abu Uzair)
- Supporters of Sharia
(Abu Hamza)
-
Committee for the Defence of Legitimate Rights in Saudia Arabia
(Mohammad al-Massari)
- Hizb ut-Tahrir
(international)
- Soul Salah Crew
(the "Dirty Kuffar"
jihadi rap music)
- Video:
- Glen Jenvey
(see here
and here)
has videos
of extremist Islamists in the UK.
- Abu Izzadeen
- Abu Izzadeen
at an
Al-Ghurabaa meeting in Birmingham, July 2006,
laughs at and mocks the 9/11 victims,
threatens more London bombings,
and threatens all the Jews of Europe.
The audience roar laughing at the beheading of
Kim Sun-il.
- What are these sick, deranged people doing living in Britain?
Why aren't they rounded up, jailed and deported?
- Egyptian jihadi
Hani al-Sibai,
living off the taxpayer in London,
is another person who should be deported.
- Hani al-Sibai
rants war and hatred from London:
See transcript.
- Article, Aug 2007:
Khurshid Ahmed of the British Muslim Forum: "People who seek to undermine our liberal democracy and our traditions and values have no business being in this country."
David Davis, shadow home secretary: "Clearly this man has deplorable views, and the sooner he is removed from Britain the better."
-
See his hilarious theory about the meaning of eating
turkey
(and here)
at Christmas:
"This shows the kind of hatred that is deeply rooted in the West - they serve the Turkish, Ottoman, Muslim man as food at the table, for entertainment and as a sign that they have slaughtered him."
What an idiot.
-
The cool Egyptian liberal Sayid Al-Qimni
has contempt for him:
"This man uses filthy and nauseating language. To hell with him.
... You are completely insane. Go away. Go.
What, all the garbage dumps were closed and they had to go the sewage to get you?"
- Most Britons agree that extremist Islamists should be deported:
-
Britain is finally becoming less hospitable
to the fascist enemies of Britain:
-
Al-Muhajiroun disbanded in the face of an impending ban.
Its successors Al Ghurabaa and the Saved Sect
were then banned
for glorification of terrorism.
Their vile members were then jailed for 4 to 6 years for the
cartoon demo.
Abu Hamza was jailed for 7 years for soliciting murder and inciting racial hatred,
and is to be
extradited to the US.
Abu Izzadeen has been arrested for inciting terrorism.
Omar Bakri Muhammad fled Britain to Lebanon,
and is banned from returning.
Abdullah El-Faisal
has been deported.
Abu Qatada
is in jail pending deportation.
The Crawley
jihad gang has been jailed for life.
The
transatlantic aircraft plot
was destroyed.
-
It's a start.
But there are still a lot of jihadis living free in Britain.
-
Abu Izzadeen guilty.
Jailed for 4 and a half years.
Immigration
- As I say,
I support immigration for freedom-loving immigrants.
I support deportation for freedom-hating immigrants,
even if their lives are at risk.
Unfortunately, the law seems to make no distinction:
-
More than 230 terror suspects free to stay in Britain,
Sunday Times, May 21, 2006.
In the UK, 230 Islamic terrorist suspects have claimed refugee status,
saying their human rights would be violated if they were forced to return home.
- This is the nonsense that comes from the lack of clarity in the law.
We provide asylum to fascists just as easily as
to people fleeing fascism. The law seems to make no distinction.
Don't be surprised if in the next few years
some of these "refugees" bomb a British city.
Refugees have already
tried to bomb London.
- Ken Livingstone
- Yusuf Al-Qaradawi
-
The fascist
Yusuf Al-Qaradawi
thinks his own beliefs about
the supernatural
should govern everyone in society,
even those who don't believe in them.
He explicitly rejects separation of state and church
and freedom of religion.
He demands
"that the UN adopt a clear resolution or law that categorically prohibits affronts to prophets
- to the prophets of the Lord and His messengers, to His holy books,
and the religious holy places."
He supports death for atheists like me and homosexuals.
He defends
wife beating
and female genital mutilation.
He supports forcing women to wear the hijab.
His website
islamonline.net
blames rape victims who dress immodestly.
He supports the Iraqi fascist resistance.
He supports the
Sudan genocide.
He supports Hamas.
He supports the killing of innocent Jewish civilians, including children, in Israel.
He supports the destruction of Israel.
His
"heart breaks"
for the killing of the monster
Yassin,
but not for
the children Yassin killed.
-
Al-Qaradawi is exactly the kind of hate-filled preacher
who should be kept out of Britain.
-
Al-Qaradawi on homosexuals:
"The schools of thought disagree about the punishment.
...
Some say we should throw them from a high place, like God did with the people of Sodom.
Some say we should burn them, and so on. There is disagreement."
-
Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi: Theologian of Terror,
by the Anti-Defamation League.
- Don't just listen to me.
Listen to moderate Muslims petitioning the UN,
calling for a treaty banning the use of religion for incitement to violence.
They
condemn the "sheikhs of death"
who incite terror.
They name Al-Qaradawi,
who they accuse of "providing a religious cover for terrorism".
They even call for people like him to be brought before an international court.
-
Nick Cohen on Ken Livingstone:
"The 'socialist' mayor of London
[is] rushing to defend the reputation of a murderous queer basher."
- Al-Qaradawi is head of the
European Council for Fatwa and Research,
based in Ireland.
- Gay and Lesbian Humanist Association
on the anti-Semitic, homophobic, misogynistic Al-Qaradawi.
- Al-Qaradawi on atheists like me:
"an apostate .. is no more than a traitor to his religion and his people
and thus deserves killing".
- Ken Livingstone's conference:
"A World Civilisation or a Clash of Civilisations"
(and here),
Jan 2007.
-
The London bus and tube bombings, 7 July 2005
- Over 50 innocents butchered by the evil of Islamism.
- Unlike Spain, Britain will not break.
This killing will achieve nothing.
- As
Richard Fernandez
points out, this,
the jihad's first attack on an Anglosphere city
in four years since 9/11,
was in many ways pathetic.
Awful and sickening as these attacks are, we expected worse.
For four years we have been expecting much worse than this at any time,
and this is all they came up with.
-
The jihad is having extreme difficulty following up 9/11.
Not just is security much tighter,
but thousands of their men have been killed,
and a new front has opened in Iraq which is taking their attention away from attacks against the
distant West.
The new front threatens their home countries with democracy and
religious freedom,
and they must fight to stop this.
Instead of just defending our own countries, we have gone after theirs.
And that is keeping us safer.
As
Richard Fernandez
says:
"the practice of engaging an enemy on one front to weaken him on another
has been tested from antiquity".
- Awful and sickening as these attacks are, they demonstrate Islamism's
weakness, not its strength.
As Fernandez concludes:
"The enemy is even now dying at our feet, where we should kick him and kick him again."
-
Simple 20th-century techniques in the service of 14th-century fanaticism
by Gerard Baker, July 08, 2005
- "Is this the best they can do? Is this what we have reduced them to?
The damage to al-Qaeda wrought by four years of war is clearly impressive."
-
He believes, as I do, that the Islamic fascists have no chance
when pitted against the men and women of the free world.
He sees the people of London
"United, tending to their dead and wounded, but looking out at the world beyond
with a derisive snarl and a clenched fist, like one of those
Low cartoons
from the Second World War,
belittling the designs of the enemy: Is this the best they can do?"
- How to end the jihad:
- The solution, though, is not just to grimly carry on with life.
The solution is to win, to destroy the jihadis' world.
To demoralise them, humiliate them, and make them lose all hope.
This is the only thing that will end the violence.
-
We have taken Afghanistan away from them.
It is time to take Iran and Saudi Arabia away from them as well.
- Extreme, you say?
No one has the stomach for another war, you say.
I'm sure you are right.
But if so, the jihad will carry on.
The jihad will never end until the regimes of
Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Egypt end.
That's the horrible truth.
You can do it by hot war or by cold war.
But these regimes must end
and be replaced by free societies.
-
You can do everything else to ensure "peace" and stability, to avoid war.
Address Islamic "grievances".
Withdraw from Iraq.
Withdraw from the entire Middle East.
"Solve" the Israel-Palestine issue.
End Israel's very existence.
Increase security at home.
Do what you like.
But the jihad will go on.
The culture that gives rise to the jihad must be changed.
Or the jihad will never end.
The evil butcher Mohammad Sidique Khan.
Killer of innocents for a being called "Allah", which he believes exists.
"We are at war and I am a soldier",
says this vile coward who targets civilians.
Islamist enemy
tries to murder a mother and child on video.
London underground,
21 July 2005.
An awesomely brave passenger,
fireman
Angus Campbell,
confronts the Islamist,
and stays to help the mother and child escape.
The failed London bombers are captured
by the
awesomely brave heroes of the
Metropolitan Police Service.
Some brave men they are now,
when faced with armed officers rather than
women and children.
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The Aug 2006 transatlantic aircraft plot:
Dozens of British Muslims plan to slaughter
3,000 civilian men, women and children.
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Reaction 1:
A typical whinging reaction
to this plot
from the Muslim Council of Britain
and similar useless groups
was that British foreign policy is to blame for radicalising Muslims.
We must change British foreign policy, say many apparently
"moderate" Muslims.
A few notes:
- In what way is this any different from:
"Do as we say, and no one gets hurt".
It is no different from simply surrendering,
apologising to the jihadis and doing what they want.
Forget democracy and one-man-one-vote.
Whoever has the biggest bombs gets to decide government policy,
and the rest of us just have to agree.
- Like
Pascal's Wager,
this argument only works if you already think there is something wrong
with British foreign policy.
If you think British foreign policy is noble, idealistic,
and is liberating Muslims throughout the world,
then you will be unimpressed by the idea that violent jihadi nutjobs (*) don't like it.
- To make it clear, imagine if the "moderate" Muslims were saying:
"These British ideas of freedom of speech, freedom of sexuality and
freedom of religion are inflaming Muslim hatred and are the root cause of terror.
They must be changed."
You are unimpressed because you don't see anything wrong with such ideas.
The people who they "inflame" should get over it.
Now do you understand that, like Pascal's Wager, the argument that
British foreign policy should change to avoid inflaming such people
only works if you already believe British foreign policy is wrong.
- Anyway, "inflaming" is one thing. Violence is another.
I am opposed to many things the government does.
It doesn't mean that immediately heading for random slaughtering of men, women and children
is the next step.
Why don't they argue their case, using British freedom of speech and the democratic process?
I can't remember where
(tell me here),
but someone wrote, annoyed about the London bombers, something like:
"So what if they were angry about the Iraq War.
So was Sir Max Hastings."
- The jihadis
have no actual arguments as to why British foreign policy is flawed,
so they use violence to get it changed.
It may sound obvious, but you need to come up with
arguments why British foreign policy
is inherently bad in itself.
You can't just say: "Look, a load of violent, anti-semitic, homophobic
religious maniacs (*) don't like it."
You need to come up with an argument as to why they are right,
and why British foreign policy
really is bad.
If you do, there's no need for violence. You can win in the court of opinion.
-
Those who fail to win arguments in the court of opinion
turn to marches,
direct action,
riots,
and in the worst case
violence
and terror.
In reality, of course, they should look
inwards.
Maybe no one agrees with them or votes for them
because their arguments are crap?
- And again, sorry for stating the obvious,
but if most of Britain's anti-semites, Holocaust deniers, homophobes
and violent religious maniacs (*)
don't like British foreign policy,
then surely that indicates that British foreign policy is at least roughly on the right track?
- This idea that the current conflict is a "War on Muslims",
indeed the very idea that the Iraq War was bad for Muslims,
is only a theory.
It's not a fact that British foreign policy is bad for Muslims.
It's just a speculative political theory that one can argue for,
but there is plenty of evidence against.
Again, as with
Pascal's Wager,
the "moderate" Muslims assume we already agree
that British foreign policy is in some way "bad" for Muslims
(as opposed, for example, to Muslims that believe this being deluded).
Most Muslims in Iraq and
Afghanistan
don't believe this theory, for example.
-
John Reid, Home Secretary
gets it:
"I think it is a dreadful misjudgement if we believe the foreign policy
of this country should be shaped in part, or in whole,
under the threat of terrorist activity if we do not have a foreign policy
with which the terrorists happen to agree."
- (*) Again, because people love to misinterpret these things,
I am not saying that most British Muslims are anti-semites, homophobes, etc.
I am saying that the minority of British Muslims who threaten us with terror attacks are.
Those who support terror are anti-semitic, misogynistic homophobes,
simple fascists who oppose democracy, human rights, free speech
and freedom of religion.
If British foreign policy upsets them, then there must be something right with it.
-
Reaction 2:
A far more sensible reaction is that
British Muslims should be terrified of the jihadists:
- John Fay,
a man who, like me, tries not to believe
in the worst nightmares,
peers into the darkness that could lie ahead:
"At some point the fabric of British society will tear apart if plans like this start to come
to fruition. Just how much death and destruction will the British people tolerate
before they call for draconian measures specifically aimed at British Muslims?
It's illogical to presume that this will never happen. All those anti-discrimination laws
and multi-cultural aspirations will be jettisoned and be no protection to Muslims.
...
The only hope for avoiding this future is for British Muslims to come to the fore
in calling for these people to be rooted out and voluntarily call for some tighter surveillance
in their neighborhoods. It may be unfair, but this is not the time for British Muslims to just
'get on with their lives'. It is time for them to step up and confront, condemn and exclude
from their neighborhoods those who would kill thousands of their fellow citizens."
- He further comments:
"The difference in WW2 is that the enemy was 'outside', not living among them.
They were all in it together. September 11 was carried out by people from 'outside'.
This is different.
There's no way there won't be a witch hunt if thousands of British citizens
are killed by their own Muslim population. It will be ugly beyond anything W. Europe
or the US can imagine right now."
-
He further comments:
"It's all a matter of scale. The plot foiled the other day would very likely have exceeded the death toll from the entire 30+ years of the Troubles. What if there are two or three such attacks over the next 18 months? What if there's an attack in which 10,000 people are killed and which causes massive economic disruption? If you don't think that there would be reprisals against British Muslims then you're not living in the real world. The government will be FORCED to take a very hard line.
...
If the government does not take a hardline
then people like the BNP will surge politically and, possibly, develop their own paramilitary wing."
- Some anonymous person says:
"I think events will show that the British people, with minor, vocal and pretty unpleasant exceptions,
will never descend to your doomsday scenario. We'll have to wait and see".
-
He replies:
"we're down to the nub:
...
We will have to wait and see. I hope you're right, but I see no reason to presume that the people of London or Birmingham are any different deep down than the people of Beirut or Baghdad or Sarajevo or wherever. If thousands of people are killed - and that's what the intention is with these people, not the small scale terrorism that has been Europe's experience - and there's massive economic disruption and this happens more than once, I do think that the British public will demand SOMETHING be done. And, that something will not be pretty and it will not be 'surgical'. What that might be, I can't say.
If I were a Muslim in the UK, the possibility that these people who carry out such attacks do so in my name would have me very nervous for exactly this reason."
Umar Islam,
one of the accused in the
transatlantic aircraft plot.
He claims
to believe in a being called "Allah", whose "law" we must all live under:
"There are many more like us and many more like me ready to strike until the law of Allah is established on this earth."
Tellingly, he provides no evidence that this "Allah" exists.
Absurdly, he claims "Allah" is responsible for our life:
"To the general public I urge you to accept Islam as it is the truth from your Lord. You have rejected the Koran and you have rejected Allah who is the one who has given you life, given you food and given you everything that you have got."
This would be amazing news if it were true.
But instead of trying to provide evidence that it is true,
he (of course) supports and threatens violence.
He says:
"Allah .. loves us to die, and kill, in his path."
He actually declares his willingness to kill for a being who may not exist.
Video from The Daily Telegraph.
Also here.
- Operation Crevice
- massive British operation against
Pakistani Muslim terrorist gang in
Crawley, 2004.
-
Despite living in one of the freest, richest and least racist
countries on earth,
the gang plotted to kill innocent British men, women and children,
because of their absurd beliefs about the supernatural.
They were jailed for life in 2007.
- The grandfather of the gang leader,
Omar Khyam,
served in the British Army.
Yet, shamefully, his grandson became a fighter for fascism.
-
The Crawley gang
planned a massacre at the
Ministry of Sound
nightclub.
- Funny how the jihadis target
innocent, hedonistic young people
who have no interest in politics or the war.
Why don't they target their lethal enemies, the western militaries?
The answer, of course, is they might get hurt.
How much more convenient
it is to have a religious philosophy that justifies targeting
children on buses, aid workers,
and kids in nightclubs.
-
Attempted London car bombs, June 2007.
-
Botched attack on Glasgow airport, June 2007.
- Mick Hume
on the sexually retarded bombers,
who think nightclub goers are a legitimate target for killing
just because young women dress in a way they disapprove of.
"Presumably this attempt to bomb ladies' night was part of the same Islamist crusade against British "decadence" that had a previous conspiracy of dunces jailed for plotting to blow up "those slags dancing around" at a London nightspot. And how was the bomb at Tiger Tiger discovered? By an ambulance crew .. called to the club to tend to - a drunken punter. Thus did decadence save the day and the dancing slags triumph over the twisted prigs."
- Well, That Didn't Work Out So Great
- Iowahawk puts words in the mouth of the would-be jihadi killer
of innocents:
"As Allah is my witness, I really can't explain what happened next; maybe it was stress, or confusion, or frustration. Whatever the reason, I decided it was a reasonable idea at that point to pour a can of petrol over my head and hit the Bic.
Here's a handy health tip from
Doctor K:
if you ever get a wild urge to start yourself on fire, sit down and relax until it goes away. Because (A) it's not a particularly useful method for killing infidels, and (B) it. hurts. like. a. motherfucker."
-
The failed jihadi attacker,
Kafeel Ahmed,
dies of his burns.
He gave his life for nothing.
He wasted his life for nothing, for a moron ideology that will soon be forgotten.
- Ex-Islamist Hassan Butt
(or via here)
denounces those who would blame British foreign policy, rather than Islamism,
for the terror attacks:
"When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network, a series of semi-autonomous British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology, I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy.
By blaming the government for our actions, those who pushed the 'Blair's bombs' line did our propaganda work for us. More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology."
- Tony Blair
tries to talk some sense to the Islamists:
"The idea that as a Muslim in this country that you don't have the freedom to express your religion or your views, I mean you've got far more freedom in this country than you do in most Muslim countries. ...
It's not just your methods that are wrong, your ideas are absurd. Nobody is oppressing you. Your sense of grievance isn't justified."
- John Smeaton
- The hero bystander who waded in to stop the jihadis
at Glasgow Airport.
- His sheer irreverance towards the pious holy warriors is fantastic,
and reminds one of the ordinary Brit's attitude towards Hitler during the war:
"Glasgow doesn't accept this. That's just Glasgow; we'll set about ye".
- johnsmeaton.com
- "John Smeaton - Hero For Our Time - One Brave Weegie Takes on al-Qaeda".
They call for
"renaming the airport to Smeaton International Airport".
- Smeaton speaks:
"I hope my actions and the actions of everyone else that day show that Britain will not stand for it.
And if any more extremists are still wanting to rise up and start trouble, know this: we'll rise right back up against you.
New York, Madrid, London, Paisley ... we're all in this together and make no mistake, none of us will hold back from putting the boot in."
- "Come Ahead",
tribute song to Smeaton.
Brilliant lines:
"I will fight.
I will stand.
I won't pretend tae understand."
- Smeaton as Braveheart:
- People are writing loads of "Smeatonisms".
My favourite:
"John Smeaton doesn't sleep. He just waits."
- And if you think it's only "natives" who hate the terrorists,
and you're getting tired of the weasel words
from the likes of the Muslim Council of Britain,
see this wonderful story of a
Pakistani shopkeeper in Edinburgh
who, inspired by Smeaton, stands up to a (white) thief.
He says:
"I have so much respect for John Smeaton and the other guys who stood up to the terrorists in Glasgow.
They showed so much courage"
-
Passengers constantly congratulate and thank him at the airport:
"Passengers were coming up to shake my hand.
But for me, the highlight was a wee girl who turned to her mum
and said, 'That's the man who saved us'."
- Comment
notes that John Smeaton is:
"a purebred posterboy for what makes freedom great. Would any citizen of a "closed" nation think to assist a policeman out of a sense of "civic duty"?
Not likely."
- I bought him a pint.
Poster mocking the would-be jihadi killers of innocents.
From a celebration of hero bystander John Smeaton
here
and here.
The future
Islamism
will be defeated, humiliated, and thrown in the dustbin of history
in the next few decades.
The West has seen off far greater threats
than some know-nothing medieval religious revival.
The defeat of Islamism
will be a great day, above all, for
Muslims in the West, who will no longer be feared as a possible
fifth column.
Over the next century,
Islam in the West will mutate in the same way Christianity did.
It will become far more tolerant and more diverse.
As with Christianity, traditionalists will still exist,
but they will no longer threaten violence.
As with Christianity, Islamic and post-Islamic scholars will arise
who question the existence of Allah,
the origin of the Quran,
the morality of Muhammad
and even his existence.
Millions of Muslims will become secular, apostates and atheists.
In the end,
the idea of the West,
the idea of reason, curiosity and human freedom,
will prove stronger than either Christianity or Islam, or any religion.
Return to Islam in the West.