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What immigration policy do you support?

Fascist refugees

Is there any threat to our liberties?

Muslim immigrants and rape

Islam and rape in Australia

Pessimism

"Moderate" Muslims in the west

Optimism

Islamic attacks on the West

Sharia law in the West

Islamic defacement of posters

Islamophobia

Islamist nightmares

Islam in the US

Islam in the UK

Islam in Ireland


Islam in the West

Since the 1950s, Islam has been growing in the West, mainly by immigration. Most immigrants come to the West precisely because they support its freedoms and want to escape failed states ruled by clerics and Islamic dictators. We have a duty to let these freedom-loving Muslims in. There is an upside to doing so:

  1. Western Muslims are the most liberal, tolerant, pro-democracy Muslims in the world. All the dissidents are here - the religious dissidents, the political dissidents, the feminist dissidents, and the gay dissidents. All the dissident works - such as criticism of Islam and Islamism - are published in the West.

  2. There is an argument that if there is ever to be an Islamic Reformation, it will come from the western Muslims, who are free to speak and question, rather than from the Muslims living in unfree states.

But there is a substantial minority (10-20 percent) of immigrants who threaten our western freedoms. What to do about these aggressors is one of the questions of our time.





Islam v. the West.
Photo in the English Garden, Munich, on a hot summer's day in 2010.
Actually, it's not so much that the immigrant women dress like this. It is that they have to dress like this, or they will face consequences, up to and including death.
Amazing picture from Blick newspaper. From here.




Muslim immigration

I suspect that Islamic fundamentalism will eventually collapse in its home countries due to the Internet, TV and "cultural imperialism".

The idea that Islamic fundamentalist immigrants could come to the West and eventually threaten our freedoms I find a bit far-fetched.

My instinct is fairly pro-immigration, for many reasons:

  1. I believe human rights and western freedoms are universal, and all races can participate.
  2. Around the world, millions of people who live in tyrannies long for freedom and democracy. We have a duty to give pro-democracy activists, anti-communist dissidents, anti-Islamist dissidents and western freedom-lovers a haven. The west is the natural place for them to set up their opposition parties, newspapers, websites and governments-in-exile, which we should support.
  3. We have a duty to give a haven to people fleeing genocide and persecution.
  4. I believe free movement of people, like free trade, is good for the economy. Skilled people move where the work is. Attempts to stop this are like protectionism, and restrict the economy. (However, this does not hold if the immigration is unskilled and unambitious, and it may be that much actual immigration in Europe does not help the economy.)
  5. I despise anti-immigration movements that are based on ethnic purity. Some of the paleo-conservatives seem to be in or near this territory. I think the desire for ethnic purity is one of the single worst ideas in human history. My country, the Republic of Ireland, is far too ethnically pure already, having lost most of its ancient Protestant and Anglo-Irish population. In general, ethnic purity is a sign of failure. Immigration is a sign of success.

Having said all that, there is one troubling issue:

  1. How about letting in people who hate you and threaten you? To oppose immigration per se (or be against all immigrants once they are in) seems racist to me. But the western left ignores the fact that immigrants may hate western freedoms, and want to end them, and force their primitive, barbarous ideas on me. Obviously, not all immigrants have been threatening like this, so we must be careful to focus on the ones who have issued such threats. At the moment this category consists almost entirely of Islamists who openly want to destroy our freedom and some day set up sharia law in Europe.


My response to the existence of such appalling people is as follows:


  1. Let in freedom-lovers, exclude freedom-haters. - Yes, I agree that people who hate western freedoms should not be allowed in. Islamist activists should not be let in, even if they are being persecuted. West-haters can be hard to identify on arrival, though. You need to be careful that your rules and checks do not exclude democracy-loving Muslims who are fleeing Islamist religious states. These are exactly the people you want to let in.

    • omdurman.org
      • Islam v. Islamism makes the same point, about how many Muslims and ex-Muslims in the West are our allies: "Remember that most Muslims who emigrated to the United States did so to get away from "cultures" and "societies" (I use the terms very loosely) like the ones that are described below, much as Judeo-Christian immigrants came here to get away from European monarchies, religious despotisms, and feudal lords."


  2. Deport freedom-haters. - Inevitably, you will let in some freedom-haters by accident. If they are serious, they will eventually do something, at which point they can be identified. Then you have the problem of: Can they be deported? After all, native born people are allowed hate the west. Are we making immigrants second-class citizens, with less freedom of speech than natives? It's certainly a difficult issue. I think they can be deported, on the grounds that letting them in was clearly an error at the time. So I think, yes, an immigrant can be a second-class citizen in this sense for n years, until they have proved they are not an enemy of the country. This is not a restriction that will bother any immigrant who does not actually hate the west.

    Native born people cannot be deported, even if they hate the west and its freedoms. They must be first-class citizens. In a free society, we tolerate citizens who hate tolerance and want to end it. We have free speech for people who want to end free speech, such as fascists, communists and Islamists. But the point is: We can be relaxed about this when they are powerless cranks. But what if there is a growing number of such people who want to end freedom? My response would be that we should still have free speech, but a free society has every right to try to survive. It must do everything possible to reduce the numbers of such people, and not let any more in.

    • Germans to put Muslims through loyalty test - The German state of Baden-Wurttemberg is to test whether incoming Muslims believe in western values of religious freedom and a tolerant society. If not, they are denied citizenship. Even better, if you answer the test correctly, but it is found out later that you do not really believe in western values, you can have your citizenship removed. Those who support 9/11 will be denied citizenship. This is the future. This is what all of Europe should do. If immigrants do not believe in western values of tolerance and freedom, they should not be let in to Europe.
    • Plain-talking quotes from Australian leaders: "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you."




What immigration policy do you support?

What immigration policy into the West do you support?


What immigration policy should the West have?

  1. All Muslims can immigrate, no matter what their ideas.
    This is the only policy the left supports.
    This is more or less the current policy in most of the West.

  2. Muslims who openly support jihad are barred.
    Muslims with "unknown" opinions are let in.

  3. Muslims who openly support jihad or sharia are barred.
    Muslims with "unknown" opinions are let in.

  4. Only Muslims who actively oppose jihad and sharia are let in.
    This is the policy I would support.

  5. All Muslims are barred.
    This is the policy supported by Trumpists.
    (And by Trump himself, depending how he randomly feels from day to day.)


What immigration policy do you support?

  


Fascist refugees

Be kind to them and let them in, and they will bomb you.





Islamic Fascism in Belgium:
Abu Imran (Fouad Belkacem) of "Shariah4Belgium" declares that he wants to basically destroy all of Belgium. Well what a lovely immigrant to have!
He says he will demolish the Atomium.
I notice that this barbarian uses infidel inventions like video, however. And did I spot a mobile phone? What a vile hypocrite.
From here.



Islamic Fascism in Holland:
Den Haag Connection (DHC), a Moroccan immigrant fascist rap group in Holland.
(The very idea that immigrants might be fascists never occurred to anyone promoting mass immigration in the 1960s and 1970s.)
"Fuck them Jews, those dirty Jews, the immigrants will come to kill you ... Jews must be killed. Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas."



Islamic Fascism in Norway:
The disgusting "Peace Conference Scandinavia 2013" organised by Islam Net in Norway, March 2013.
The audience all say they are regular Muslims, not extremists. And then they all declare support for segregation of men and women, sharia law (death for gays and apostates) and stoning for adultery. They declare that all of Islam is extremist like this, not just a fringe.
It is a thoroughly depressing video.
However, there is a counter argument. Which is that only an extremist Muslim would go to an Islam Net conference.




Is there really any threat to our liberties?

Will Muslim immigrants really threaten our liberties? I'm fairly relaxed so far, but that situation may of course change. West-hating immigrants have achieved little so far, though there are some worrying signs.




It is comic really:
Sharia transforms countries into hellholes.
Muslims then leave those countries to go to countries that actually work.
Then some of them try to introduce sharia in those countries, so they can wreck them as well.


  

Muslim immigrants and rape

The question of immigrants and rape (or immigrant attitudes to women and sex) is a sensitive issue. Islamic countries have some of the worst records in the world on women's rights. Many Islamic clerics and other public figures justify the sexual harrassment and rape of unveiled women, non-Muslims and minors. There is often a special hostility towards non-Muslim women.

Have some Muslim immigrants brought these toxic attitudes with them to the West? Yes, of course some have. There are Muslim clerics in the West who justify rape. There is also some evidence that Muslim immigrants are over-represented in rape statistics.


  


More rape in the Islamic world. Less rape in the sexually-liberated West.
See full size. From womanstats.org.



Egyptian Muslim female lawyer Nagla Al-Imam, October 2008, says Muslim men should rape Jewish women.



Al-Azhar Professor of Theology Suad Saleh says Muslims can rape female captives in war.
See transcript.



Kuwaiti female Islamist Salwa al Mutairi, May 2011, says Muslim men should buy non-Muslim women as slaves to rape.



"The face of a woman is like her vagina" says popular Salafi Egyptian preacher Abu Ishaq al-Huwaini, Dec 2011.



Libyan sex attacker Almahde Atagore could be a poster boy for the screwed up attitudes to sex in Islam.
He got a Libyan government scholarship to study in Australia. He was "upset and sexually aroused at the way women in Australia dressed and behaved". So he started sexually assaulting them.
"Atagore told police he didn't know the country's laws prevented women being assaulted."
He was convicted in 2011 and got 5 years in jail, and when released will be deported.
Image formerly here from The West Australian.




Islam and rape in Australia

Australia in particular seems to have a problem with Muslim immigrants committing and defending rape. There have been a number of high profile cases.





The comedy show "The Chaser's War on Everything" have a great, light-hearted, Australian response to the humourless Islamist freak Taj El-Din Hilaly (of "uncovered meat" fame).
Laugh at the Islamist with the "Mufti Muzzler".
Copy here.



Australian rape-apologist Feiz Muhammad calls for Geert Wilders (and indeed all critics of Islam) to be killed.
He absurdly claims that Muhammad is "the greatest man that walked this earth".




Pessimism

Even if freedom-hating immigrants never succeed in actually changing our laws, there is another threat, which is that of sporadic violence and terrorism. Importing Muslims means inevitably importing some jihadis. Even if you only let in freedom-loving, democracy-loving Muslims (as discussed above), their children may be jihadis. This seems to be the case with the 2005 London bombings. The simple act of letting in Muslims at all increases the number of jihadis who will try to kill you.

Tragically, it seems that the second London bombing attack of 2005 was by refugees, on the country that took them in. They came to Britain as child refugees from war-torn Africa. And they repaid British generosity by trying to slaughter its people.

The 2013 Boston bombing was by refugees.

I have no answer for this. If the war against the jihad escalates, we may have to stop all Muslim immigration, including those fleeing persecution. I hope to god it never comes to this awful scenario.





"Moderate" Muslims in the west

As I said above, it is true that the west is the heartland of truly moderate Islam. Western Muslims are far more moderate than Muslims in the Islamic world. There are millions of Muslims and lapsed Muslims in the west who believe in democracy and freedom, and are in the west precisely because they do not wish to live under Islamic law.

At the same time, many Muslim leaders promoted by the media as "moderate" Muslims turn out to be anything but. Sometimes, hate-filled extremist jihadis, such as Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, are simply described as "moderate". More often, "moderates" turn out to be religious ultra-conservatives who have crackpot views on Israel and America, and who seem incapable of condemning Islamism. Certainly, nobody who believes in Islamic law, or subscribes in any way to Islamism, could possibly be described as a "moderate". Nobody who supports attacks on Israeli civilians could possibly be described as a "moderate". Any time I hear the left describe some Muslim, such as Tariq Ramadan, as a "moderate", I now assume they are lying.

And finally, it is also true that 10-20 percent of western Muslims do support the global jihad.



Opinion polls of Muslims in the West


Supposed "moderate" Muslims


Actually moderate Muslims

What I mean by actually moderate Muslims are Muslims who oppose sharia and Islamism.



Optimism

I'd rather end on an optimistic note. I don't think Islamic fundamentalism is going to triumph in the West. I think Islam's encounter with the West is going to lead to a crisis for traditional Islam.

I think secularism, satire, mocking, doubt and apostasy are going to spread and eventually triumph in the Islamic world. It will take generations, but sex, shopping and atheism will win.

I think Islamic fundamentalism is far more under threat than western ideas are. Which is not to say that Islamic fundamentalists won't cause a bloodbath before they exit history.





Atheist Phil Hellenes reacts to a Muslim bloke talking about the Punishment of the Grave.



"My Prophet, My Führer" (in the style of Downfall) takes on Muhammad. With footnotes!




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