One of the things that makes the Palestinian cause so worthless
is that
the Palestinians are fighting to set up a tyranny.
Any Palestinian state would be a thuggish dictatorship with no human rights.
We see this already in the rule of the PA and Hamas.
A Palestinian state would be like Syria (Fatah) or Iran (Hamas).
Why on earth would any liberal Westerner want to see such a state set up?
A Palestinian state would not have human rights, because the Palestinians do not believe in such western concepts.
The Western left is projecting values onto them that they do not share.
If you don't believe me, because I am pro-Israel, how about believing the anti-Israel Human Rights Watch:
Palestine: Authorities Crush Dissent, Human Rights Watch report, October 23, 2018.
"The Fatah-led Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas authorities in Gaza
routinely arrest and torture peaceful critics and opponents
...
Human Rights Watch detailed more than two dozen cases of people detained for no clear reason beyond writing a critical article or Facebook post or belonging to the wrong student group or political movement.
...
Calls by Palestinian officials to safeguard Palestinian rights ring hollow as they crush dissent."
The majority of Palestinian Muslims support sharia.
The majority of those support the death penalty for apostasy.
Poll of 2012, released Apr 2013.
The majority of Palestinian Muslims support "honour killings".
Nice heroes you've got there, leftists.
From here.
See Palestinians'
other bigoted views about women.
The biggest problem with Gaza and the PA is that there is no democracy. No elections. No leader of the opposition.
No free press attacking the government.
Because Palestinians do not believe in such things.
PA arrests
Jamal Abu Rihan
for criticising the PA government, Apr 2012.
PA jails
Anas Awwad
for 1 year for "insulting" President Abbas on Facebook, Feb 2013.
Ah, this
says the real reason he was jailed was because of links to Hamas. So screw him, I think we can all agree.
PA arrests many critics in 2014.
Criticising Abbas, Fatah and the PA is forbidden.
There is no free press or free speech.
A Palestinian state would just be another Arab tyranny.
US idiot
John Kerry, Dec 2015, said
"Abbas had told him that the level of Palestinian despair about the future was unprecedented.
He "spoke more despairingly, my friends, than I have ever heard him, about the sense of hopelessness that the Palestinian people feel.""
Well boo hoo!
Not so desperate that you would allow an actual election,
where someone with better ideas for dealing with Israel
could have a go.
Oh no, we're not that desperate!
Abbas, Mar 2016, is quoted
as saying:
"If Palestinian people and leaders ask me to quit, I will step down in a minute."
Hilarious. Dictators never hold elections. They vaguely declare "If the people decide ... (in my opinion)"
The dictator Arafat
died age 75 in 2004, requiring a new Palestinian "election".
Otherwise I guess 1996 would have been the only one.
The new dictator Abbas
is age
90
this year.
He ended all elections in 2006.
And of course there has been no free parliament or debate or "Leader of the Opposition" in all the years since 2006.
Abbas does not believe in such alien Western concepts.
May 2014:
Palestinian guy claims they have "elections"
because
700 members of the terrorist group the
PLO elect the
PLO council.
Wow, impressive!
I sneer at him.
Bethlehem
- The PA in the West Bank persecutes Christians.
Walid Husayin,
an atheist jailed and persecuted by the Palestinians.
West Bank Palestinian atheist
Walid Husayin was jailed and persecuted by the "secular" PA
for criticising Islam.
He described the God of Islam as having the attributes of a "primitive Bedouin".
He was charged with "insulting the divine essence",
as if that should be a crime.
Nice comment on Israeli news site:
"Israel should kidnap him,
and set him free in Israel or America."
Another Israeli says:
"He can move to Israel.
I also think religion is primitive nonsense. Move here, you can speak your mind and no one will care."
Update, Jan 2012: He is out of jail, but still being harrassed and beaten by the "secular" PA.
Update 2014: He now lives in exile in freedom in France.
Walid Husayin, 8 Dec 2014,
wonders why the left will not support his right to be an atheist.
I wonder that myself.
The persecution of Christians in Gaza and the West Bank.
Report by Chris Mitchell, CBN News.
Describes how the PA (i.e. Fatah terrorist forces) tortured and executed a convert from Islam to Christianity,
Ahmad El-Achwal,
in the West Bank in 2004.
He was a father of eight.
Copy here.
The Palestinians are the most anti-semitic people on earth.
According to
ADL Global 100
survey of anti-semitism, 2014.
The PA on the West Bank are bad enough.
But at least there is an Israeli presence there to moderate them.
In Gaza, unopposed
Islamic fundamentalist rule by Hamas
has led to
an extremist Islamic religious tyranny,
with sharia law
and the complete crushing of human rights.
Welcome to Palestine, Jan. 29, 2007
- Caroline Glick on the hellhole of Gaza without Israel.
What did we expect?
The Palestinians to set up a parliamentary democracy?
"For the past 13 years, since the Palestinian Authority was established in 1994,
the contours of the State of Palestine have taken form in front of our eyes.
...
Palestine exists already.
...
Palestine is a terror state
and an economic basket case fully funded by the international community.
...
official Western aid to the Palestinians .. increased by 10 percent in 2006 over 2005, and stood at $1.2 billion.
The Palestinians, who receive more aid per capita than any people on earth, are needy not because they lack funds. They are poor because they prefer poverty, violence and war to prosperity, peace and moderation. So it is that 57 percent of Palestinians support terror attacks against Israel.
The multitude of protesters worldwide who demand an end to the so-called "occupation" and the establishment of Palestine should be made aware of the fact that Palestine already exists.
...
This is Palestine. Enter at your own risk."
Taliban hell:
After Israeli pullout in 2005,
Islamists stamp their boot on Gaza.
They
bomb Internet cafes, music shops, and even
barber shops.
Welcome to Taliban hell. You asked for it.
Ging is head of the anti-Israeli
UNRWA in Gaza.
But that doesn't mean much to the local jihadis.
They only care about religion.
And he and other aid workers are still infidels.
Palestinians who flee Gaza because of Hamas speak, article, June 2017.
Yet again, foolish Westerners have to learn the lesson
that the only people who speak in a repressive regime
are people who agree with the regime.
The others have to be silent.
"The testimony of these Gazan refugees in Greece provides a rare opportunity to hear what Palestinians say when they're out of reach of their own repressive governments and can speak freely. It thereby offers a glimpse at the true source of much Palestinian suffering - and a rebuke to all the journalists, diplomats, and NGOs who have collaborated with both Palestinian governments to hide this truth from the world."
Rami Aman,
a rare hero in Gaza.
A peace activist in Gaza,
he was arrested by Hamas in Apr 2020 for talking to Israelis online as part of a peace initiative.
The western left don't care.
Jihadists (probably Hamas) attack U.N. summer camp for children in Gaza, June 2010.
"about two dozen armed and masked men targeted a seaside camp in central Gaza, ...
The assailants tied up an unarmed guard, then tried to set fire to two tents and a perimeter fence made from tarp-like material. Wielding knives, they slashed a plastic swimming pool, blow-up slide and toys."
Aren't they the big brave men?
Gaza water park shut down by Hamas,
then burned down by Hamas, Sept 2010.
See report.
Hamas had issued warnings to it because of
"events where men and women sit together".
Hamas got their Jew-free Gaza.
They then set to work persecuting the remaining minorities
- Christians
and Shia Muslims.
Persecution of Christians:
"Christians must accept Islamic rule" in Gaza:
"Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings"
Hamas Destroys Christian School and Church in Gaza, June 2007
(and here):
"masked gunmen torched and looted the Rosary Sisters School and the Latin Church.
"The masked gunmen used rocket-propelled grenades to storm the main entrances of the school and church," he said. "Then they destroyed almost everything inside, including the Cross, the Holy Book, computers and other equipment."
Musalam expressed outrage over the burning of copies of the Bible, noting that the gunmen destroyed all the Crosses inside the church and school."
Under Hamas rule of Gaza, public displays of crucifixes are forbidden. Report March 2012.
"Since the Hamas takeover of Gaza in 2007, half the Christian community has fled. Christmas decorations and public displays of crucifixes are forbidden. In a December 2010 broadcast, Hamas officials exhorted Muslims to slaughter their Christian neighbors."
A Christian crisis in Gaza and the West Bank, Jerusalem Post, 25 Dec 2019, says:
"In the Gaza Strip, the Christian population has plummeted from about 3,000 a decade ago to an estimated 1,000 today".
After the Jews and Christians are gone, it will be the turn of the Shia:
Hamas persecutes Shia in Gaza, report Jan 2012.
The Jews are expelled.
Fatah are killed and expelled.
The Christians are going.
Who is left to attack? The tiny group of Shia!
It is ironic that Hamas persecutes Shia, despite their links to and funding from Shia Iran.
It's like how Iran funds the Taliban, who then slaughter Shia.
Man, these Islamic terrorists make terrible allies!
Christian population in Gaza and Israel.
From here.
Western leftists are committed to supporting the repellent cause of the Palestinians.
They either ignore the nature of the Palestinian state,
or they even defend it as "their business".
When presented with evidence of sharia in Gaza, left-wing Israel-haters often
resort to some sad argument like the above.
Here in
May 2014,
a female "Nontheist for human rights and social justice, naturalist, skeptic"
defends the oppression of women by religion.
As soon as you criticise Hamas for enforcing "modest dress" and banning bikinis,
left-wing "liberals"
will leap to its defence and say Muslim women should not have to wear bikinis!
They muddy the waters and pretend that people who merely want freedom want to enforce immodest dress.
It is creepy and dishonest
and certainly illiberal.
I summarise my view, 30 May 2014. I support freedom, not culture. That is why I am not a leftie.
"Ron Portnoir" says it is not for us to say what kind of state Gazans should have.
I reply
that by the same argument, it is not for us to comment on Israeli affairs.
Irish-American Obama-worshipper
Mary Ramirez
defends sharia by
saying
it is wrong for us to "judge" their culture. I reply that she is judging the Israelis.
Refugee Status
by Yossi Klein Halevi, The New Republic, August 20, 2002.
(Formerly here.)
The Palestinians jail and torture homosexuals.
The western left doesn't care.
Just as they don't care what
Cuba
does to gays.
"You in the West do not live like human beings. You do not even live like animals. You accept homosexuality. And now you criticize us?"
- Source.
"Are these the laws for which the Palestinian street is waiting? For us to give rights to homosexuals and to lesbians, a minority of perverts and the mentally and morally sick?"
- Source.
Homophobia and Islamic fundamentalism
by a left-winger having doubts, Leon Harrison, 4 December 2002.
- How the left don't care about attacks on gays
when the attacks are by Muslims.
Events and groups
First ever
Palestinian Gay Film Festival held, Nov 2015. For some bizarre reason, it is held in Israel, not in the PA!
Extraordinary. Can anyone explain that?
Aswat -
support group for Palestinian gays.
Where is it based?
That's right, it is based in safety in Haifa in
Israel.
Aswat held a Queer Film Festival in 2018.
Where did it hold it?
That's right. In Haifa in
Israel.
A sad, sad article, Aug 2013.
A piece about the few pro-gay activists in Palestinian society
ends with the news that there will be a
"Palestinian Queer Party" event ... to be held in Israel!
The Palestinian gays have to hold their parties in
Tel Aviv
in Israel
for safety.
Says it all.
Al-Qaws,
the Palestinian gay group,
has its offices in:
(1) Hasoreg St, in West Jerusalem (Israeli rule),
and:
(2)
Haifa, in Israel.
No office at all under PA or Hamas rule.
Funny that!
Al-Qaws say
they met in Ramallah in 2014.
Sounds hopeful.
Was it a secret meeting, or advertised in advance?
No one is named as a public speaker at the meeting, of course.
My standard challenge to lefty defenders of the Palestinians is:
"Show me any atheist or gay living openly under PA or Hamas rule".
Conor Leeson, Dec 2014,
unwisely takes up my challenge, and fails.
He ends up saying:
"Find it yourself, buddy."
Pathetic.
Dara de Brun, Dec 2014,
unwisely takes up my challenge, and fails.
Asked to name any open atheist or gay in the PA, he says:
"You can ask many of my Palestinian friends who actually live there."
He is unable to name any.
He says:
"I offered you an option in which to find out the information, and you bottled it.
... Sadly, your laziness & fear prevent you doing real research."
I reply:
"You can shut me up anytime with a single URL showing gays/atheists in PA. But you can't find any can you?"
Dara de Brun, Jan 2015,
continues to struggle with my question:
"Have you still not spoken to any of my Gazan friends? Have you no bottle at all Mark?
...
You need a URL for proof of apostates and homosexuals in Gaza?
...
Mark, you truly are a very very odd, and incredibly immature person
...
Like I said, I don't keep lists of people's lifestyles or sexual pref.
...
You prove to me that there isn't, hows that?"
And so on and on.
But no URL ever comes.
Later in the thread,
Dara de Brun claims a Palestinian state would allow people "live free".
Such drivel.
There is no evidence that is true.
I ask Dara de Brun where are any gay public figures in Gaza?
I ask:
Where is Gaza's David Norris?
Instead of giving me the name
of Gaza's David Norris, which would have shut me up,
he responds with this drivel.
Hot air and bluster and insult.
But the name of Gaza's David Norris
still
does not emerge.
"Irish in Gaza", Jan 2015,
unwisely attempts to answer my challenge to name any "out" gays in Gaza.
They claim to know many gays in Gaza.
That's possible, but hardly the point.
When asked for the name of a single "out" gay in Gaza,
they can only name friends who are in the closet.
Very telling.
None of their pals in that thread can name any either.
They all act as if they never thought about this issue before.
"Irish in Gaza", 31 Mar 2018, says the Israelis are the same people who "killed Jesus on Good Friday".
The idea that a "Palestinian state" will solve anything is ludicrous.
No one should want to see such a state created.
Why Don't I Care About the Palestinians?
by John Derbyshire, 9 May 2002, sums it up.
"We are all supposed to support the
notion of a Palestinian state. Why? We know perfectly well what it would be like."
We do know what it would be like.
It would be like Assad's Syria
or revolutionary Iran.
Why should we care if such a state is set up or not?
The Palestinian state has no right to exist
because it will be a tyranny
- Don Watkins makes the fundamental point
-
"no one has the right to establish a government
unless it is a free, democratic, secular
government. Only free nations have a right to exist."
I agree.
No one has the right to set up a tyranny.
A Palestinian state would solve nothing:
Even if it is a tyranny, might a Palestinian state at least lead to peace?
No.
The endless Gaza wars after Israel left Gaza
clearly show
that a full Palestinian state on the West Bank
would escalate the Palestinian-Israeli conflict,
not end it.
A Palestinian state on the West Bank would not lead to "peace".
It would be a recipe for massive war between that state and Israel.
It would be the Gaza wars multiplied by ten.
Time to end the charade, by Salim Mansur, October 20, 2007,
on pointless US efforts to broker Arab-Israeli peace.
"But the truth of the matter is that there is nothing to broker when one party, the Palestinians and their Arab-Muslim financiers and supporters, remains committed to the destruction of the other party, the Israelis.
...
Another Arab state squeezed .. between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean -- its population hostile to the West and readily embracing every passing totalitarian ideology in its declared aim of harming Jews and destroying Israel -- instead of being a recipe for any final settlement, will be the source of unremitting conflict in the region and terrorism beyond.
Moreover, Palestinians killing each other while continuing to be supportive of terrorism -- in addition to the appalling record of Arab-Muslim regimes disregarding human rights and respect for minorities -- make them undeserving of the amount of attention provided by American administrations in contrast to the level of American support extended to the equal, if not more deserving, claims of the people suffering in Darfur, Burma, Tibet and Zimbabwe."
I agree. A Palestinian state would make the conflict worse, not better.
What is needed is not a Palestinian state
but rather for the Palestinians to reform.
Palestinians massively oppose homosexuality, alcohol and premarital sex.
But because they are brown, the western left likes them.
If they were white, the western left would have contempt for them.
From Pew survey,
Global Views on Morality 2013.
See Palestinians'
other reactionary views about morality.
