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Communism - Asia


  Vietnam

The "anti-war" movement

Cambodia

Democide

Korea v. Vietnam

John Kerry and the "anti-war" movement

Peace and "anti-war"

North Korea

China



Communism in Asia

Apart from the Soviet Union, Asia was the major killing field of communism. Perhaps 75 million innocent men, women and children were killed for communism in Asia - mainly in China, North Korea, Vietnam and Cambodia.

The western effort to stop this evil in Korea and Vietnam was a great and noble cause, and partially successful. The brave Americans who died in Korea and Vietnam did not die for nothing. They did not die for "a lie". They died for the freedom of South Korea and South Vietnam. In Korea, they were partially successful. North Korea fell to the darkness, in which it still lives today. But South Korea was saved from communist democide.

Tragically, in Vietnam, the brave American effort was betrayed at home. South Vietnam could have been defended indefinitely, but the "anti-war" protesters won the day, and the Democrat-controlled U.S. Congress abandoned South Vietnam and Cambodia to communist tyranny and democide after 1973. This abandonment - celebrated by the left to this day - is one of the great crimes of the west of the modern age. The anti-Vietnam War protesters should be ashamed of what they did.



The resting place of evil.
Ho Chi Minh Mausoleum, Hanoi, Vietnam.
From here.




Vietnam



The Vietnam "anti-war" protesters




The L'Innovation Department Store fire, Brussels, Belgium, 1967.
320 people - men, women and children - died in this fire at a store picketed by anti-Vietnam War, pro-communist protesters.
It may have been arson by the anti-Vietnam War protesters. Or it may have been an electrical fault. It has never been proven.
From here. See more photos.



  Number killed: Victims: Perpetrators: Fits into popular global narrative? World outrage: Cultural references:
Kent State shootings, 1970 4 Anti-Vietnam War protesters. Ohio National Guard. Yes. Very much so. Massive. Long-lasting. Worldwide. Protests. Strikes. Riots. Terrorism. Bombings. Deaths. A factor in the US abandonment of Vietnam. Music. Prose. Poetry. Plays. Graphic novels. Photography. Documentary. Film and television. Memorials and remembrances.
L'Innovation Department Store fire, 1967 320 Men, women and children. Anti-Vietnam War protesters.
(Possibly. Certainly enough to make a film showing that.)
No. Not at all. None detectable. None.




Jane Fonda



John Lennon



"All we are saying .. is give peace a chance", by John Lennon, 1969.
They did. America abandoned Vietnam and Cambodia in 1973. It gave peace a chance.
The result was the communists killed millions of people.



John Lennon supporting the violent terror group the IRA in 1971.
Like many other "anti-war" and "pacifist" lefties, Lennon was only really opposed to war by democracies.
People using violence against democracies were to be judged differently.
Image from here.




Cambodia




John Lennon's Imagine plays at the end of the deeply flawed film The Killing Fields (1984).
Sophal Ear, whose family were victims of the Khmer Rouge, thinks this is rather ironic: "You know the John Lennon song 'Imagine'? 'Imagine no possessions, no religion'? That's what it was like in Cambodia. The only thing people had was a spoon, for eating the daily porridge. And that porridge was grossly insufficient for the work they were made to do in the fields."
It does seem in bad taste to play Imagine in a film about the Cambodian genocide.



The appeal of a "cleansing" genocide is a constant with some humans.
Here, Irish Republican "celticliam88", 19 Oct 2013, calls for the killing of the 6 million Jews of Israel in order to bring "peace".




Democide: Vietnam v. WW2

In the West, the Vietnam War is associated with killings and bombings by America. And indeed, it is the site of the worst American war crimes after 1945. And yet America is largely irrelevant to the story of war crimes of this period. The statistics show that over 95 percent of all the killing of civilians outside combat in this period was done by communists.

Democide in the Vietnam War period

Rudolph J. Rummel gives estimates of democide for: He gives the following estimates for democide in this period:
  1. The communist Khmer Rouge of Cambodia - killed 2,400,000 innocent human beings - men, women and children - by mass executions, urban evacuation, death camps, and state-caused famine.
  2. The communist regime of North Vietnam - killed 1,700,000 innocent human beings - men, women and children - by mass executions, death camps, and the deaths of refugees (boat people) trying to escape.

  3. South Vietnam - 90,000.

  4. America (in Cambodia) - 60,000, mainly by bombing. This could account for as much as 2 percent of the democide there.
  5. America (in Vietnam) - 6,000, mainly by bombing. This could account for as much as 0.3 percent of the democide there.


Democide in the WW2 period

For comparison, WW2 is remembered as a just war and yet American war crimes were far worse in WW2. Rudolph J. Rummel has estimated democide in the WW2 period (see summary table) as:
  1. Soviet Union (Stalin) - killed 42,000,000 innocent human beings. The Soviet Union killed a further 20,000,000 before and after this period. During WW2, Stalin, not Hitler, was the no.1 killer of Soviet citizens.
  2. Nazi Germany - killed 21,000,000 innocent human beings.
  3. China (Kuomintang) - 10,000,000.
  4. Axis Japan - 6,000,000.
  5. China (Maoist rebels) - 3,000,000. They killed a further 35,000,000 when they finally got into power.
  6. Poland - killed 1,600,000, in ethnic cleansing of Germans after the war.
  7. Yugoslavia (Tito) - 1,000,000.
  8. Nazi Croatia - 700,000.
  9. Rumania - 480,000.
  10. Britain - 420,000, mainly by bombing of Germany.
  11. America - 380,000, mainly by bombing of Japan.
  12. Spain (Franco) - 270,000.
  13. Fascist Italy - 220,000.
  14. Czechoslovakia - killed 200,000, in ethnic cleansing of Germans after the war.
  15. Hungary - 120,000.



Discussion: Korea v. Vietnam




North Korea

  


China




Interview (and more copies) with Col. Bui Tin of North Vietnam, who received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam in 1975. Wall Street Journal, 3 Aug 1995.
Q: "Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?"
Bui Tin: "It was essential to our strategy. Support of the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. ... Those people represented the conscience of America. The conscience of America was part of its war-making capability, and we were turning that power in our favor. America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win."
Q: "What of Nixon?"
Bui Tin: "Well, when Nixon stepped down because of Watergate we knew we would win. Pham Van Dong [prime minister of North Vietnam] said of Gerald Ford, the new president, 'he's the weakest president in U.S. history; the people didn't elect him; even if you gave him candy, he doesn't dare to intervene in Vietnam again.' We tested Ford's resolve by attacking Phuoc Long in January 1975. When Ford kept American B-52's in their hangers, our leadership decided on a big offensive against South Vietnam."





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