17th century Turkey was the great existential threat to European civilization.
It was the last great Islamic imperialist threat to Europe.
20th century Turkey was a state built on genocide of Christians
- a genocide that is still denied.
21st century Turkey is a state that has still failed to properly embrace western ideas,
and shows signs of going backwards into Islamism.
The crucifixion of Christian girls by the Turks in 1915
during the Armenian Genocide.
From a movie re-enactment of the genocide memoir
Real life was actually worse than this:
In real life, the Christian girls were executed by
impalement through the vagina.
Far from being propaganda, this image far understates the actual horror.
of the 1876 massacre said:
"We looked again at the heap of skulls and skeletons before us, and we observed that they were all small and that the articles of clothing intermingled with them and lying about were all women's apparel. These, then, were all women and girls.
... The skulls were nearly all separated from the rest of the bones - the skeletons were nearly all headless. These women had all been beheaded.
It is to be remarked that all the skeletons found here were dressed in a chemise only, and this poor child had evidently been stripped to her chemise, partly in the search for money and jewels, partly out of mere brutality, and afterwards killed. We have tallied with many women who had passed through all parts of the ordeal but the last, and the procedure seems to have been, as follows: They would seize a woman, strip her carefully to her chemise, laying aside articles of clothing that were valuable, with any ornaments and jewels she might have about her. Then as many of them as cared would violate her, and the last man would kill her or not as the humour took him.
At the next house a man stopped us to show where a blind little brother had been burned alive
On the other side of the way were the skeletons of two children lying side by side .. with frightful, sabre cuts in their little skulls. The number of children killed in these massacres is something enormous. They were often spitted on bayonets, and we have several stories from eye-witnesses who saw the little babes carried about the streets .. on the points of bayonets. The reason is simple. When a Mohammedan has killed a certain number of infidels he is sure of Paradise, no matter what his sins may be."
Even before the 20th century genocide of non-Muslims,
the world was well aware
that the Ottoman Turks slaughtered Christians
1903 cartoon in New York.
See full size.
This was posted at a left-wing
University of Chicago site
that complains about the
of the cartoon.
The same left-wing site
complains about a Cox and Forkum cartoon.
The Orthodox Christian
of the 20th century
(at the hands of the Turks, the Soviets, the Nazis and the Croats).
is reasonable to conclude that
up to 50 million Orthodox Christians
have perished [in democide]
in the first eight decades of the twentieth century.
Unfortunately, the depth and range of the Orthodox suffering throughout the world in this century,
remains largely unknown and
unappreciated in the West."
is described as
"the founder of the Republic of Turkey and the consummator of the Armenian Genocide.
Mustafa Kemal completed what Talaat and Enver had started in 1915, the eradication of the Armenian population of Anatolia and the termination of Armenian political aspirations in the Caucasus. With the expulsion of the Greeks,
the Turkification and Islamification of Asia Minor was nearly complete."
This is of course a controversial topic in Turkey,
where democide denial
is almost universal.
Discussion of this topic is taken as attacking their very national identity
and their national heroes.
this is quite normal for democides.
5 worst democides of the 20th centuryonly the German democide is freely and openly acknowledged
in its home country.
Japan is still in denial about their democide,
China is very much in denial about Mao's democide,
and Russia is still largely in denial about the Soviet democide.
Only the Germans have fully come
to terms with their past.
This is like creationists suing the biology department.
Happily, they lost.
judgement, May 2012, which states:
"the "denial" statement reasonably can be construed as stating simply that the TCA website denies that the treatment of Armenians within Turkey during World War I meets the definition of the term "genocide." ... Because the TCA website
does, in fact, state
that it is "highly unlikely that a genocide charge could be sustained against the Ottoman government or its successor" ... the Center's statement under this interpretation is true and, thus, .. not actionable."
Startling image from the above
showing the crucifixion of Christian girls by the Turks in 1915.
See clip at 21:45
and still at 23:05.
The crucifixion of Christian girls in
was described on
of the book
Ravished Armenia (1918).
This was also published in
The Daily News, Perth, Australia,
21 May 1920.
By the way, anyone who thinks the Armenian Genocide was not
should read this book.
The killers are clearly motivated by Islam and hate for the infidel.
Cenk Uygur of "The Young Turks" - Armenian Genocide denier
is an interesting character.
A brave ex-Muslim atheist
who is however annoyingly left-wing and
I always thought he
picked the disgustingly offensive name
"The Young Turks"
for his political talk show
out of ignorance.
But of course, thinking about it, that makes no sense.
How could a highly-political person of Turkish background
not know all about the Young Turks and the genocide they carried out?
And then I discovered that he denied the Armenian genocide.
His choice of name
now seems to be something more sinister.
Historical Fact or Falsehood?, Cenk Uygur, The Daily Pennsylvanian, November 20, 1991.
As a politically active young student,
Cenk Uygur denied the Armenian genocide.
Cenk Uygur to Salon, 16 June 1999,
again denied the Armenian genocide.
Cenk Uygur, 22 Mar 2016, has a truly offensive response to the Brussels jihad massacre.
He claims it is "revenge" for some unspecified alleged "crimes" of the West.
"Bombings in the US, then Iraq, Syria, Lybia, then Paris, Turkey, Belgium. An eye for an eye and soon the whole world is blind."
ISIS loves leftists who come up with this stuff.
Some good replies,
"hey Cenk, quiz for you; who committed the first great genocide of 20th century. Clue: think of the name of your show".
I take on a guy
calling himself "The Young Turk"
and yet claiming to be against genocide.
"For the protesters who have taken part in Turkey's anti-government demonstrations, Ataturk is a hero. Dead for 75 years, he has become the reborn symbol of this student-driven anti-Erdogan movement."
"Erdogan wants to raze Gezi Park and rebuild the Ottoman military barracks that used to be there. The barracks were the site of a 1909 attempt by the Ottoman sultan Abdul Hamid II to
stop the liberal reforms that eventually led to Ataturk's modern republic."
It is a terrible shame that the sultan did not
stop the "liberal reforms".
The "liberals" committed genocide, not the sultan.
He made, for the Turkish protests, a similar creepy, totalitarian-style
He absurdly says:
"Ataturk was a champion of Turkish Democracy and secular government. I am offering a free download of my Ataturk image as a symbol of democracy and free speech."
A "champion of democracy" who did not allow opposition parties!
Ataturk's 20th century "democracy"
compares poorly to Britain's 18th century democracy:
A View of the House of Commons, published 1749.
See full size.
Britain's democracy was deeply flawed at this point,
was still between multiple parties,
which puts it well ahead of Ataturk's Turkey.
named parties go back to the
and competition in general goes back
Fetih 1453 (2012).
Turkish propaganda movie where the jihadist conquerors of Constantinople in 1453
are the good guys!
Oddly, it leaves out the raping and killing of Christian women and children by the invading army,
the looting of churches,
selling the Christians into slavery, and so on.
The evil invading jihadist army shouts "Allah Akbar",
just like modern jihadists.
See negative reviews.
At the end
of the movie,
Mehmed the Conqueror
plays with smiling Christian children,
instead of raping and killing them
and selling them into slavery.
"I am honored to pay tribute to Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, a man whose vision, tenacity and courage put the Republic of Turkey on the path of democracy and whose legacy continues to inspire generations around the world."
- America's useless President Obama,
on a visit to Turkey, Apr 2009,
to the dictator
Ataturk, the butcher of the Christians of Turkey.
Who I block:
I will debate almost anyone.
I love ideas.
I will not debate (and will block) people who do the following:
(a) Make threats.
(b) Accuse me of crimes.
(c) Comment on my appearance.
(d) Drag in stuff about me not related to the topic. (My professional career, my personal life.)
(e) Complain to my employer.
Yes, people do all these things.